To: elmatador who wrote (34610 ) 5/9/2008 3:54:12 PM From: 49thMIMOMander Respond to of 217738 "dissonance in terms of manual skills" From our point of view, lumbering in the woods of somebody who owned the forrest, renting a house and working for the one who owned the fields (often also the house), some hundred years ago, resulting in one minor civil war. However, as our local taxes kept on paying for good local schools we moved from a basic agricultural-forestry economy kind of back to the days when only some few owns the (now) large enough farms and even forests. We are having this new forest-cellulosa fight with Russia, they are trying to once again set some "fair-trade" tolls on their cellulosa. They think their pines and berch trees should be made into glossy paper, like Playboy, on their soils. They say they (the russians) now have enough of electricity and energy to do that. (cellulosa does not need much energy, but making paper demands lots of it, but additionally a question of long and short fibers, what kind of paper is produced). However, I think the EU-LA Axis will be much more productive than the latest Evil Axises.en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org 9K11 Malyutka From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from AT-3 Sagger) • Ten things you may not know about Wikipedia • Jump to: navigation, search 9K11 Malyutka The 9M14M missile Type Anti-tank missile Place of origin Flag of the Soviet Union Soviet Union Service history In service 1961-present Used by Soviet Union and others Wars Yom Kippur War, Vietnam War, 2006 Lebanon War Production history Designer Kolomna Design Bureau of Machine-Building Designed 1960s Produced 1961 Variants 9M14M, 9M14P1, Malyutka-2, Malyutka-2F Specifications Weight 10.9 kg (9M14M) 11.4 kg (9M14P1) 12.5 kg (Malyutka-2) ~12 kg (Malyutka-2F) Length 860 mm 1005 mm combat ready (Malyutka-2) Width 393 mm (wingspan) Diameter 125 mm Effective range 500-3000 m Warhead weight 2.6 kg (9M14M, 9M14P1) 3.5 kg (Malyutka-2, Malyutka-2F) Speed 115 m/s (9M14M, 9M14P1) 130 m/s (Malyutka-2, Malyutka-2F) [1] Guidance system MCLOS The 9K11 Malyutka (Russian: ???????; little or tiny baby) is the (NATO reporting name: AT-3 Sagger) is an MCLOS wire-guided anti-tank guided missile developed in the Soviet Union. It was the first man-portable anti-tank guided missile of the Soviet Union and is probably the most widely produced ATGM of all time—with Soviet production peaking at 25,000 missiles a year during the 1960s and 1970s. In addition copies of the missile have been manufactured under various names by at least five countries. # armor penetration of 200 mm at 60° # weight at most 10 kg. While early estimates of the missile hitting the target ranged from 90% to 60%, experience has shown that it is really between 25% and 2% depending on the situation and skill of the operator. MCLOS requires considerable skill on the part of the operator: reportedly it takes 2,300 simulated firings to become proficient with the missile as well as 50 to 60 simulated firings a week to maintain the skill level.