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To: lorne who wrote (11886)5/13/2008 11:03:41 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck  Respond to of 20106
 
Love on Girls’ Side of the Saudi Divide
Shawn Baldwin for The New York Times
Shaden, who is veiled at 17, spoke with her father as her younger sister looked on in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia in March 2008.

KATHERINE ZOEPF
Published: May 13, 2008
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — The dance party in Atheer Jassem al-Othman’s living room was in full swing. The guests — about two dozen girls in their late teens — had arrived, and Ms. Othman and her mother were passing around cups of sweet tea and dishes of dates.

Generation Faithful
Through a Veil, Lightly
This is the fourth in a series of articles examining the lives of youth across the Muslim world at a time of religious revival.

Shawn Baldwin for The New York Times
Sara al-Tukhaifi, 18, in her brother’s car in Riyadh. More young men in cars are chasing other cars they believe to contain young women, to try to give the women their phone numbers via Bluetooth.
»About half the girls were swaying and gyrating, without the slightest self-consciousness, among overstuffed sofas, heavy draperies, tables larded with figurines and ornately-covered tissue boxes. Their head-to-toe abayas, balled up and tossed onto chairs, looked like black cloth puddles.

Suddenly, the music stopped, and an 18-year-old named Alia tottered forward.

“Girls? I have something to tell you,” Alia faltered, appearing to sway slightly on her high heels. She paused anxiously, and the next words came out in a rush. “I’ve gotten engaged!” There was a chorus of shrieks at the surprise announcement and Alia burst into tears, as did several of the other girls.

Ms. Othman’s mother smiled knowingly and left the room, leaving the girls to their moment of emotion. The group has been friends since they were of middle-school age, and Alia would be the first of them to marry.

A cellphone picture of Alia’s fiancé — a 25-year-old military man named Badr — was passed around, and the girls began pestering Alia for the details of her showfa. A showfa — literally, a “viewing” — usually occurs on the day that a Saudi girl is engaged.

A girl’s suitor, when he comes to ask her father for her hand in marriage, has the right to see her dressed without her abaya.

In some families, he may have a supervised conversation with her. Ideally, many Saudis say, her showfa will be the only time in a girl’s life that she is seen this way by a man outside her family.

The separation between the sexes in Saudi Arabia is so extreme that it is difficult to overstate. Saudi women may not drive, and they must wear black abayas and head coverings in public at all times. They are spirited around the city in cars with tinted windows, attend girls-only schools and university departments, and eat in special “family” sections of cafes and restaurants, which are carefully partitioned from the sections used by single male diners.

Special women-only gyms, women-only boutiques and travel agencies, even a women-only shopping mall, have been established in Riyadh in recent years to serve women who did not previously have access to such places unless they were chaperoned by a male relative.

Playful as they are, girls like Ms. Othman and her friends are well aware of the limits that their conservative society places on their behavior. And, for the most part, they say that they do not seriously question those limits.

Most of the girls say their faith, in the strict interpretation of Islam espoused by the Wahhabi religious establishment here, runs very deep. They argue a bit among themselves about the details — whether it is acceptable to have men on your Facebook friend list, or whether a male first cousin should ever be able to see you without your face covered — and they peppered this reporter with questions about what the young Saudi men she had met were thinking about and talking about.

But they seem to regard the idea of having a conversation with a man before their showfas and subsequent engagements with very real horror. When they do talk about girls who chat with men online or who somehow find their own fiancés, these stories have something of the quality of urban legends about them: fuzzy in their particulars, told about friends of friends, or “someone in my sister’s class.”

Well-brought-up unmarried young women here are so isolated from boys and men that when they talk about them, it sometimes sounds as if they are discussing a different species.

Questions for the Fiancé

Later that evening, over fava bean stew, salad, and meat-filled pastries, Alia revealed that she was to be allowed to speak to her fiancé on the phone. Their first phone conversation was scheduled for the following day, she said, and she was so worried about what to say to Badr that she was compiling a list of questions.

“Ask him whether he likes his work,” one of her friends suggested. “Men are supposed to love talking about their work.”

More here

nytimes.com



To: lorne who wrote (11886)5/13/2008 11:47:09 AM
From: FJB  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20106
 
One dog is worth a million muslims...



To: lorne who wrote (11886)5/14/2008 5:39:21 PM
From: Proud_Infidel  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20106
 
Unbelievable!

Is this Minnesota or Riyadh?

Re: Islam forbids its adherents from touching dogs.

The dogs certainly get the better end of that deal!



To: lorne who wrote (11886)5/15/2008 6:17:31 PM
From: Ann Corrigan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20106
 
My favorite from the list below:
>"A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly"<

...LOL, radical Islamist terrorists with scraggly beards, and unkempt hair partly covered with dirty bedsheets, are the epitome of Uggggly. G_d bless the women of the MidEast, who are forced to live with those ugly lunatics. Maybe if the terrorists "carried more books" they would not be so abysmally ignorant.

Historical Facts:
>MEIN KAMPF VERSUS THE KORAN

By Larry Houle, www.godofreason.com

Before there was a Hitler, Mein Kampf, the SS, concentration camps and final solution of the Jewish question there was Muhammad, the Koran, the SS Jihadists and the first final solution; the murder and forced exile of Jews/Christians from Arabia.

“the Apostle of Allah said, 'Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”

In any process of extermination and mass murder of human beings, the first step is to blame them for all of societies ills, demonize the selected victims as dangerous, then as the enemy, then dehumanize and reduce them to the status of sub humans - evil creatures that must be destroyed. Once human beings are robbed of their humanity mass murder becomes the final solution.

Following are just a very small sample of Hitler’s teachings demonizing the Jews and laying the intellectual foundation for their extermination.

HITLER’S HATRED OF THE JEWS

"The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 234

"The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision."

- Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 220

- “If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it [Judaism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it."

- Robert Wistrich, Hitler's Apocalypse, p. 122; from a conversation with Croatian Foreign Minister General Kvaternik, July 21, 1941

"The internal expurgation of the Jewish spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Jewish spirit as the product of the Jewish person. Unless we expel the Jewish people. Unless we expel the Jewish people soon, they will have judaized our people within a very short time."

- Jackel, Hitler's Worldview, p. 52; from a speech at Nuremberg, January 13, 1923

- “The Jew has always been a people with definite racial characteristics and never a religion.”

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
“If we consider how greatly he has sinned against the masses in the course of the centuries, how he has squeezed and sucked the blood again and again; if furthermore, we consider how the people gradually learned to hate him for this, and ended up by regarding his existence as nothing but punishment of Heaven for the other peoples, we can understand how hard this shift must be for the Jew.”

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“But even more: all at once the Jew also becomes liberal and begins to rave about the necessary progress of mankind.”

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

‘The Jew almost never marries a Christian woman; it is the Christian who marries a Jewess.”

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

- “ the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.’

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

- “ With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.”

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
“And so he [the Jew] advances on his fatal road until another force comes forth to oppose him, and in a mighty struggle hurls the heaven-stormer back to Lucifer.”

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hitler’s final solution was the concentration camps and the industrialization of mass murder.

MUHAMMAD’S TEACHINGS OF PURE JEWISH HATRED FROM THE HADITHS

Kill All The Jews : The First Final Solution

Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.” [This single sahi hadiths tells everything about Islamic intolerance]

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288
The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders one of them was to Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
“the Apostle of Allah said, 'Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”
Ibn Ishaq, Siratul Rasul, v. 553

ALLAH’S PURE HATRED OF JEWS
2.61 Wretchedness and baseness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah.

2:96 Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell.

4:160-1 For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom.

4.16 And for the evildoing of the Jews, we have forbidden them from some good things that were previously permitted them.

5.82 Indeed you will surely find that the most vehement of men in enmity to those who believe are the Jews and the polytheists.

5.60 God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil.

Quran-8:17 It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

Quran-8:67 It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.”

9.29 Fight against such of those have been given the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the last Day.

9.34 Many of the rabbis and the monks devour the wealth of mankind and wantonly debar men from the way of Allah.

Quran-33:25- “Allah turned back the unbelievers [Meccans and their allies] in a state of rage, having not won any good, and Allah spared the believers battle."

Quran-33:26- “And He brought those of the People of the Book [Jewish people of Banu Qurayza] who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts, some of them you slew (beheaded) and some you took prisoners (captive)”

Quran-33:27- “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews]

Quran 62: A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly.

The Koran is no more the word/teaching of God than Mein Kampf is the word/teaching of God. You tell me the difference between the two books. There is none. Both books are books of pure hate that reflect the hateful souls and minds of their authors - Hitler and Muhammad. Both men who hated Jews with a passion. Both men who sought their total dehumanization and extermination from the history of humanity.

How can any rational, normal person believe that God would have as his prophet a killer, a murderer, a terrorist who slaughtered human beings, allowed the raping of the women and young girls, sold the women and young girls Muslims did not want as sex slaves into slavery, and took for himself one of the young beautiful women to be his sex slave.

How can any rational, normal person believe that God would celebrate such evil, heinous crimes with teachings for all eternity to be recorded in a so called holy book the Koran.<