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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TARADO96 who wrote (21369)	5/13/2008 9:35:00 PM
From: MJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

As you wrote----- " I took some flak from some of our most esteemed older posters for saying this, but I must repeat: racist old white voters must die before you see real improvement in race relations. It is a cold hard fact, but it is the truth." I invite you to substitue 'black for white' in your statement. i.e. "I took some flak from some of our most esteemed older posters for saying this, but I must repeat: racist old white voters (substitute old black voters,) must die before you see real improvement in race relations. It is a cold hard fact, but it is the truth." Now, lets take the same statement and change it to -------- racist old white and black voters must die before you see real improvement in race relations.. If you believe the first statement you made, do you also embrace either of the other statements? mj

To: TARADO96 who wrote (21369)	5/13/2008 9:40:54 PM
From: Nicholas Thompson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

I am 69, my wife is 64, my son is 33 and daughter is 27 : all for Obama. All white.

To: TARADO96 who wrote (21369)	5/14/2008 12:25:12 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 149317

I took some flak from some of our most esteemed older posters for saying this, but I must repeat: racist old white voters must die before you see real improvement in race relations. It is a cold hard fact, but it is the truth. Obama does not have a problem attracting 40-45% of young working white voters. It is the 60+ white voters that are resisting the change. I'll tell you.....if there is a huge mistake that the Obama campaign has made.....not Obama misspeaking or the whole Wright issue.....but a campaign mistake, it was alienating the over 60 crowd when Obama first started out. If you remember, the Obama campaign suggested that the over 60 crowd wouldn't get him. I was really surprised by their position even as I understood the intent was to energize the younger crowd. I believe that may have pushed some people in their 60s into the Clinton camp. Having said that, the reality has been during this campaign that there have been guys in their twenties proclaiming on national television that they would never vote for a black man, and I have seen people in their 60s working fervently for Obama. Bottom line: we know that there is a segment of the older, white, blue color population that currently is resistent to Obama. However, I truly believe people can change and we need not to write them off. FWIW.

To: TARADO96 who wrote (21369)	5/14/2008 3:42:53 AM
From: brushwud	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 149317

ask why they would not vote for a black man. It bugs me when people say Obama is black, because he's equally white as black. He is literally African-American. The idea that someone is "black" when they're even a fraction African-American goes back to the days of slavery. Race is really an obsolete concept. When I filled out my census form in 2000, I checked "Other" and wrote in "Human". I just checked my zip code and found 204 of us counted as "Some other race alone" after white, black or African-American, Native American, and Asian.