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To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/16/2008 3:24:25 AM
From: Jamey  Respond to of 50428
 
"Bit of rough history:"

That's tellin it like it is! Good and factual. Hope it wakes up a few who cannot see the truth because they do not understand war. You have to do it to understand it.

James



To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/16/2008 6:31:33 AM
From: Gib Bogle  Respond to of 50428
 
Hear, hear Jonesy! Good sense.



To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/16/2008 7:01:26 AM
From: paul ross  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50428
 
"You are wondering why they are radical? Maybe you are, maybe you are not, but if you corner people, choose and support their leaders for them, invade them, torture them, kill their women and children and make sure they have no armed forces with which to fight back then they will get radical on you."

An Apology from an Arab

Monday, Sep. 09, 2002 By ALI SALEM

As an Egyptian, I find myself compelled to apologize to the American people for what happened to them on Sept. 11. I apologize because one of those involved in that horrible disaster was Egyptian. As a man of letters, I declare myself innocent of having any part in the creation of the culture that spawned these individuals.

A long time before New York City's Twin Towers were destroyed, many towers in my country were brought down by this same brand of perpetrators. They killed President Anwar Sadat, who initiated peace with Israel and liberalism in Egypt; they killed the Egyptian writer Farag Fouda, a defender of freedom and secularism; they stabbed our Nobel laureate, Naguib Mahfouz, when he was 82 years old, after discovering that 30 years earlier he had written a novel they considered the work of an infidel. They said they had not read the novel. Who told them it was sacrilegious? Someone living in a cave in the mountains of Afghanistan, or sitting in a London cafe or a mosque in New Jersey, told them so. In Egypt alone, these fundamentalists have killed more than 1,000 policemen and ordinary citizens, Christian and Muslim alike. In one of the most beautiful places on earth, the temple of Queen Hatshepsut in Luxor, they slaughtered nearly 60 tourists in 1997. In Algeria their sickles endlessly harvest the souls of the poor and helpless. They have committed all these crimes with the purpose of establishing the kingdom of God on earth and have succeeded only in turning our lives into hell.

In my country, art, education and the economy have all been leveled to a ground zero. I'm convinced, though, that the problem we face is not religious but political. And so it will never be solved with a religious summit. If you hold a meeting of Muslim sheiks, Christian pastors and Jewish rabbis, they inevitably come out with blissful smiles and report that they have found their values to be mostly identical, and they are right.

Extremism may claim God as its redeemer, but it's really the selfish product of lunacy. In America, the most free and modern nation of our time, you see it too. You saw it with Jim Jones, who told his flock in Guyana to follow him into death by drinking poisoned Kool-Aid, and you saw it when David Koresh created his own small hell in Waco, Texas.

In my part of the world, the Arab Middle East, a great tragedy results from our governments' well-intentioned attempts to cure society of extremism through education. These leaders, however, don't teach what they should to produce the values they want. They seek moderation and enforce piety. They seek citizens who value life, yet their school curriculums exalt the value of science and ignore philosophy and history and the liberal, humanistic values they embody. That is why those who excel in such a system are no less immune to the call of extremism.

Our governments assume that people need to understand Islam in its purest form to stay religiously moderate. The result is the mass production of true believers, not good citizens. Because people initially welcome the imposed piety but then gradually realize it doesn't equip them to meet the challenges of getting through life, life becomes a morbid burden. To shake off this burden, some of them, usually young men, can't wait for natural death and decide instead to take a short cut to heaven.

Before ascending, they must have a cause that's canonized by their community--the greatest cause on earth, capable of justifying their sacrifice in the eyes of their kin. It's not enough to die fighting for their country; they must be fighting for God. Once they have secured that cause, they search for a way to ennoble it in the eyes of ordinary people who do not share their holy delusion but whose admiration they crave. They know that most people respect logic and reason. So they go looking for a nationalistic cause: this is what Osama bin Laden did when he claimed the Palestinian cause as a justification for the destruction of Sept. 11.

But beneath their claims is a sadder truth: these extremists are pathologically jealous. They feel like dwarfs, which is why they search for towers and all those who tower mightily. We must admit that we failed to teach these people that life is worth living. These extremists exist now, and will exist forever, so the question before us must be, How can we defend both our lives and theirs? We in the Arab world love freedom and want the chance at a decent life. We are not different from you, as it sometimes seems. We may be just temporarily backward. Working together, our governments must decide how, with what culture and by what actions, they will combat the influence of those who hate life.

Ali Salem is a playwright and the author of several books, including Journey into Israel. He lives in Cairo

time.com



To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/16/2008 1:14:09 PM
From: Wowzer  Respond to of 50428
 
Wow now that is a great rant!



To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/16/2008 2:02:11 PM
From: RonMerks  Respond to of 50428
 
I dont think its accurate to say that the Afghans 'kicked' the Russians, or certainly our asses. It's the terrain that is the issue. How do you capture and hold vast areas of impassable mountainous no mans land? The problem the US had in Afghanistan was not the rebels, or the Taliban, it was trusting the Pakistani and Afghan governments, military and the war lords to capture Bin Laden.

That was the stupidest military mistake since Viet Nam.

And fwiw, I dont think it was a mistake at all- because mistakes of that magnitude arent mistakes.

Bin Laden- our own US CIA 'asset' against the Russians in the Afghan war- was allowed to escape- plain and simple.

The better aruement could have been made to crushing the Taliban in Afghanistand and Pakistand than in entering Iraq.

All that aside- what boils my ass, and I think many others- is that we rescued the Kuwaiti's from Saddam, and literally gave them their country back- and arguably stopped Saddam from moving into Saudi Arabia next.

That we can't get OPEC to raise crude output when the capacity is present- is unacceptable. BUT!- OPEC is only 10-20% of the problem in my mind- when it comes to oil prices.

I would qualify it as follows-

OPEC- 10-20%
Weak US Dollar 40-50%
Too much money created and in the hands of speculators- 40-50%.

Just my 2 cents.

Ron



To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/16/2008 4:32:02 PM
From: NOW  Respond to of 50428
 
wow 20 recomendations.



To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/17/2008 9:31:47 AM
From: Fiscally Conservative  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50428
 
Well said. It is too bad many more Americans do not hold the same view as you. I feel if they did we would be a far better nation and have the respect of many worldwide which could only help us in the end.



To: Threshold who wrote (9656)5/17/2008 11:01:22 AM
From: jimss  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50428
 
The psycho Muslems first attacked the USA in the name of Alah in the 1780's under Thomas Jefferson. His response was to create the Marines ("to the shores of Tripoli.")

Now that they will soon have Nukes that can be shipped to our harbors, what do we do? Walk away chanting "Bush is an idiot"?