To: Lane3 who wrote (66681 ) 5/19/2008 12:47:03 PM From: Sam Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543150 You can also measure things like when birds migrate and where they migrate to; when trees and flowers bloom (earlier), where they are dying (in lower altitudes and lower latitudes) and where they are thriving (higher altitudes and latitudes); more intense storms (more water vapor in the atmosphere due to greater evaporation); more intense wildfires (trees transpiring more, are dryer and not as healthy because they can't fend off insect attacks like they used to, due to less water and less sap, which they would drown the little critters in when they were well hydrated and healthy); and more.Once you get beyond that, you get further from hard science and more into the ether, an environment conducive to quackery as well as quasi-religiosity and science fiction. True believers don't differentiate. The rest of us must. The public hasn't been privy to the discussion about climate change, but it has been going on for over 30 years in an increasingly intense way between scientists. You actually believe that they are given to "quasi-religiosity and science fiction"? Do you actually think that they have arrived at these conclusions easily and without a great deal of debate among themselves? Or that they would just throw out scarey bogeymen about mass extinction lightly? I repeat, read The Discovery of Global Warming, by Spencer Weart. That will give you some insight into many of the twists and turns by which scientists have come to their current beliefs about what is in store for us if we continue business as usual. Or go to his web page, and read his articles there. BTW, he is a scientist himself.