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To: Mac Con Ulaidh who wrote (67721)	5/22/2008 1:20:25 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542147

OK choose, since you have not answered my question, let me attempt to put myself in your shoes and answer it for you. Florida, through a vote in the Republican dominated House and okayed by the Republican Governor, advanced the primary date. This caused some sort of a revolt within the Democratic party wherein states like Iowa and NH wanted to advance their dates in light of Florida. So a mutually accepted solution at that time was to not count the Florida votes. These are what I consider to be my facts though I am open to correction. Putting myself back in my shoes I say it was a mistake to do so then. I ask if now we should counter a mistake with another mistake where we change the rules of the game midstream. Instead, it would be OK to correct it by seating the delegates in such as way that they are counted and seated while at the same time not changing the results determined by other voters who voted according to the rules. Mistakes were made by the Democratic party, mistakes were made by Hillary also when she signed across the line. It is certainly a very noble effort to seat these delegates, but it ceases to be as such when the effort is directed towards a personal gain instead of merely upholding people representation.

To: Mac Con Ulaidh who wrote (67721)	5/22/2008 2:37:21 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 542147

I agree with not counting their votes. But I think it is wrong the voters aren't heard because of the stupidity of their party leaders in those states. In general, I agree with this, choose. But in the specific case of Florida, the voters knew their ballots were only a "straw vote" ballot. They were well warned that it would not count. So Clinton is making a spurious argument.

To: Mac Con Ulaidh who wrote (67721)	5/22/2008 4:53:33 PM
From: Suma	Respond to of 542147

Moyers had an interesting debate last week which I just viewed today.. The woman supported Hillary and the black male Obama. Essentially what I got from the entire discussion was that race is the tag on Obama that will prevent him from winning over McCain. In fact the West Virginia and now Kentucky Democrats who want Hillary will vote for Mccain and not Obama. The presentation was very interesting and points for and against each candidate were scored.. Bill Moyers is on Friday nights on NPR...and I think you all would enjoy it. The second segment last week was on the drug industry and the lies that are told to those of us who take RX drugs..