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To: E. Charters who wrote (59661)5/24/2008 4:11:05 PM
From: AuBug  Respond to of 78424
 
Ahh, the stuff dreams are made of: "At 3 million ounces the NSR is worth $150,000,000 to VIT. That is an earning of $10-15 million per year. It should still make their stock worth a few bucks, if there is no cap on it, but it is not exciting."

You make a pretty compelling case for not going underground. At least for those of us hoping for more than 3 million ounces of gold ;-}

"VIT can't go underground therefore, unless they are chasing less than 2 million ozs, or something NEM will not back into."

Thanks, as always.



To: E. Charters who wrote (59661)5/24/2008 5:04:00 PM
From: jackjc  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 78424
 
Back-in problems, yes in general.

Most good sized deposits have had majors work them at one time or another.

And majors usually keep back-in rights, as eventual deposit size may make it worthwhile.

Capex costs have skyrocketed since the back-in terms were set long ago,
and so the jr gains much less value for all the expense.

An Example is CUU, back-in for 75% is 4X jr expense to complete fease (about 40M tot) or 160M toward capex cost.

For the old capex numbers of about 400-600M this would have left 240-440 and 25% = 60-110M for the jr portion to get into prod.

But the latest minimum number is 1.4B and so the 160M is only about 11% of the capex. The jr now gets very little for all that work and dilution to raise the 40M.

Back-ins should have had a cost escalator in the deal. Inflation strikes again.



To: E. Charters who wrote (59661)5/26/2008 2:20:19 PM
From: AuBug  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 78424
 
Here's the original April 4, 2006 PR stating the Newmont back-in agreement for Cove:

"Under the lease, Victoria will also be subject to escalating yearly work commitments that total US$8.5 million over 7 years, of which a minimum of US$1,000,000 must be expended within 24 months of signing the final agreement. Newmont will have a one-time back-in right upon Victoria’s completion and delivery of a positive feasibility study for a minimum of 500,000 ounces of gold resources. Should it be exercised, the property will revert to a 51% Newmont - 49% Victoria joint venture with Newmont as operator. The back-in requires that Newmont must spend 2.5 times the exploration expenditures of Victoria to earn its 51% interest in the property. Should Newmont elect not to back-in, Victoria will pay a US$1,500,000 cash payment to acquire Newmont’s remaining rights to the project and will grant Newmont a sliding scale net smelter return royalty which will be 5% for a gold price over US$500 per ounce. Victoria has also agreed to preferential processing rights whereby Newmont, with processing facilities as close as Phoenix some nine miles to the north, may provide an alternative to reconstruction of a processing facility on the Cove-McCoy property."

Does this shed any more light on whether this back-in is a problem? I'm confused, your post said, "VIT could spend $8 million to find 3 million ounces only to lose it for $1.5 million." How does VIT loose it for $1.5 million? If it doesn't play out they don't pay the $1.5 million and they walk.

NEM gets one shot upon delivery of a feasibility study > 500,000 oz-Au. If NEM takes the bait they have to spend 2.5x what VIT spent, but, it does not specify over what time frame so they could drag their feet. Hopefully there exists a more specific agreement but I don't see it on SEDAR. So if VIT spends the whole $8.5 million then NEM has to spend $17 million. Can't VIT deliver a feasibility for >500k sooner and cheaper?

If NEM walks then VIT has to pay NEM $1.5 million to get 100% of the project. Then they have to spend a fortune to build the mine or maybe Kinross partners up.