To: dybdahl who wrote (94540 ) 5/25/2008 2:38:34 AM From: The Vet Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194 There is no evidence that the quantities of CO2 added to the atmosphere by human activity have any influence on any of the "disasters" you are predicting or reporting. CO2 went up again last year but the Atlantic hurricane season was one of the most benign on record! Sure we get more reports of bad weather sooner that we did years ago but that's simply because there are more cameras and more people to ensure these things get reported and beamed into everyone's living room daily. CO2 is increasing in the atmosphere but the amounts are minute and any temperature effects miniscule. This link of CO2 to "global warming" is unproven. Temperatures, up until last year when they dropped quite significantly, have increased in some places for the prior few years but it was a very uneven change easily explained by normal variability and solar cycles. CO2 levels also increased in the past few years but coincidence is not the same thing as causality. Even Al Gore's famous, but fraudulently presented, chart on ice core data showed that CO2 increases followed temperature rises not the other way around. To overcome this obvious contradiction the apologists for the CO2 causing warming theory, concocted completely unproven theories of "forcing" effects and if taken to the obvious conclusion should result in thermal runaway on earth. As the present levels of CO2 have been exceeded many times in the past, then why did the temperatures drop at all? Warming and cooling periods are a regular feature of the past history of the earth, well prior to any man made influences. CO2 is a water soluble gas, and like all gasses it is more soluble in cold water than it is in warm water. When the oceans warm, less CO2 is dissolved and the equilibrium tends to move the gas from the ocean into the atmosphere. As the oceans cool the opposite occurs, so CO2 increases are a result of warming, not a cause of it. While CO2 is a "greenhouse gas" it does absorb some of the radiant energy at one specific wavelength leaving the earth but present concentrations already in the atmosphere are sufficient to capture almost all of the energy at that wavelength already. Even doubling the current CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere would cause only a minute additional effect. It is NOT a linear relationship. While there are other gases which do have greater effects that isn't the point. The present fixation on CO2 is only because it is the gas that the financial world can profit from by means of completely useless "carbon trading schemes" on which "leaders" can make speeches and bankers can make profits. The political beauty of this whole scam is that the effectiveness of any "corrective measure" cannot be evaluated or measured, so nobody can ever be called to account for their action or inaction. If warming moderates (which is unlikely in the next solar cycle) then the carbon trading scheme can be hailed as a great success even though it had absolutely no real effect. If serious cooling occurs, even that can be blamed on "climate change" which conveniently covers every weather event. If warming accelerates then the cry will be "we did too little too late". There is an explanation for every outcome! In any event CO2 levels will continue to rise and nothing will reverse it except when fossil fuels are exhausted and the human population density on the planet reduces to a more sustainable level.