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To: quehubo who wrote (69300)	5/30/2008 8:49:10 AM
From: Travis_Bickle	Respond to of 542908

Imo he would have the ability to say hooey even absent hundreds of thousands of deaths.

To: quehubo who wrote (69300)	5/30/2008 9:03:22 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 542908

<<<For people who really cherish the WWII generation many seem to forget how much the country was motivated by the flag raising on Mount Suribachi, Iwo Jima.>>> It is very difficult to define patriotism and how to live patriotically. Worst of all, how do you judge who is patriotic and who is not? How many degrees of patriotism is there? That is almost like a totally new scale that you would have to invent. When you go down this road, you open up all kinds of questions. Is there even a scale to judge how much you respect your creator? If you believe in a creator, do you owe greater allegiance to your creator or your country. Then what happens if people from different nations believe in the same creator. Who does the creator owe allegiance to. Would the creator value one person more than the other? Is your mother more patriotic than my mother?

To: quehubo who wrote (69300)	5/30/2008 1:07:29 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542908

For people who really cherish the WWII generation many seem to forget how much the country was motivated by the flag raising on Mount Suribachi, Iwo Jima. If Obama were witnessing the flag raising on Iwo Jima, I'm sure he would have put his hand over his heart. Probably shed a few tears, as well. That was momentous, after all. Speaking of Iwo Jima, for years I lived overlooking it. Great big balcony. Used to watch the summertime tourist ceremonies there from it. They were quite moving. I always tear up. But it never once occurred to me to put my hand over my heart. At it would certainly not occur to me at a baseball game. Even if it occurred to me, I probably wouldn't risk getting mustard on my shirt. For someone running for president maybe he could have made some small sacrifice and placed his hand over his heart during the national anthem. Richardson and Clinton did not seem diminished by it. Diminished? It's not a question of being diminished. I don't know why you would look at it that way. Very interesting. Seems to me it's just a question of culture (and cultural tolerance). I'll bet that growing up where he did, he just didn't learn that particular custom as a kid and it doesn't come naturally. Some people sneeze into their hands, some into a handkerchief, and some into their sleeves. It's mostly a function of how you grew up. I suppose you could say that only a handkerchief is sufficiently respectful. Seems to me that anything that keeps the germs out of the air and doesn't get anyone else wet is respectful. Maybe some approaches are less couth than others, but none is disrespectful, not in the broader culture.