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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (69414)	5/30/2008 4:49:24 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 542967

if you don't want to answer the question just say so. I recently went a few rounds with someone over alleged rhetorical questions. I'm thinking that the definition has evolved from a question for which the asker doesn't expect an answer to a question and asked doesn't want to answer.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (69414)	5/30/2008 6:36:23 PM
From: Bridge Player	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542967

In reply to your post, I said this: "you asked rhetorical questions in a way that tended to denigrate anyone who supports President Bush, while making a speech and expounding on your negative views of him and his administration" You then claimed that that was "transparently false". Repeated herewith is your complete post. The bolded parts are the rhetorical questions and your negative views of President Bush. ========================================================================================= Bridge Player, re; "Nah. I don't support President Bush out of pity. I do it out of admiration for his personal honesty, integrity, and value systems. But how do you rate his insight, his competence and his grasp of the major issues? Even among his most ardent past supporters there seems to be general agreement that he lacks curiosity, competence, the ability to see both sides of an issue and a firm grasp of the complexities of the real world. In the face of those brutally exposed weaknesses, those of you who still support him based on his perceived "personal honest, integrity, and value systems," must have a very low bar.[Comment added: denigrating anyone who supports President Bush.] I'd bet that low standard wouldn't transfer into your personal life. Would you "support" a local neurosurgeon you thought had personal honesty, integrity and a value system you agreed with even though he was sadly lacking in competence and had botched many surgeries? Would you allow him to do brain surgery on a beloved family member? I seriously doubt that. Most of us wouldn't get brain surgery from that guy. In fact we'd elect to have surgery from a crazy neurosurgeon who had an entirely different set of values than we had but who was a much more talented surgeon and had a long history of remarkable successes. In fact we'd choose competence over "he's a good guy and tries hard but he's not very capable" in every profession where the job to be completed was an important one. And President of the United States is about as important a job as there is. Bush is, at best, a nice guy who's not competent. And the list of those damaged from his incompetence is more than 4,000 dead, more than 12,000 suffering serious and permanent physical injuries and tens of thousands with less visible injuries and lifetime of suffering in front of them. And that's just on our side...the Iraqi's have suffered so greatly that it's almost incomprehensible. In addition the long term consequences of his incompetence could be enormous. So if your standard for supporting the president is his perceived "honesty, integrity and value systems" then, hey, you might be very happy with Bush the junior[Comment added: denigrating anyone who supports President Bush] but if you care more about the job than the man in the job then you're like most Americans...deeply disappointed and saddened by the tragedy that is the last 7 years of American history. Ed ======================================================================================== I challenge any fair-minded person (I do hope that there are a few who peruse this board) to read or re-read this post and conclude that my original response was "transparently false". I simply will not participate further in this silly, transparent baiting process. Feel free to respond however you wish if you want the last word, and I'm sure you do. I rest my case. Perhaps, if you wish, we can engage at some future time in a more meaningful dialog.