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To: ManyMoose who wrote (69696)	5/31/2008 1:28:40 PM
From: Travis_Bickle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541110

I'm not qualified to say how Americans who are Muslims feel about those issues, but given that there are 7 million of them I think it is safe to say they are not given to violent crimes, cause when I read the paper the guy committing the violent crime is rarely named "Ahmed." If they really were interested in killing non-Muslim Americans it would be easy for them to off 10,000 a year. Personally I would feel perfectly safe in a crowd of Muslims in the U.S., I can't say that about all Americans.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69696)	5/31/2008 1:30:29 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541110

<<<OK. Let's see those seven million come out with an effective opposition against members of their faith who like to, oh let's see: 1)Fly planes in to buildings 2)Blow themselves up in order to kill infidels 3)Seek nuclear materials they do not need 4)Indulge in honor killings for their young women 5)Other practices that are inconsistent with American values I'm not looking for anything extraordinary here, just something like mainstream Christians denounce the likes of David Duke, KKK, Branch Davidians, Aryan Nations, and other false demagogues who hang the Cross on their walls. >>> Come on, Manny. How do you propose to do this. You want the 7 million Muslims to sign a pledge against anything that a terrorist might do. I mean that list may satisfy you, but it will not satisfy most people on the right. The millions of people on the right will insist on a list that is endless. And when and how often do you have to denounce : "denounce the likes of David Duke, KKK, Branch Davidians, Aryan Nations, and other false demagogues who hang the Cross on their walls." I agree with many of your sentiments, but to want people to somehow affirm those sentiments is kind of crazy.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69696)	5/31/2008 1:33:22 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541110

I Googled "American Muslims Oppose Terror" and got a long list headed by stuff like the following article. The "silence" is there because people aren't listening. google.com Analysis: Muslim youth in US oppose terror WASHINGTON, July 24 (UPI) Muslim youth groups in the United States are addressing suspicions that the London bombers were both young and "homegrown" by ramping up anti-terrorism initiatives. After the second attack hit London last Thursday, the Muslim Public Affairs Council and the Islamic Society of North America issued a statement in which young Muslim groups across the United States condemned terrorism and the ideology which fuels it. The Washington-based, Muslim Public Affairs Council says that this is the first campaign specifically launched by Muslim youth, and counts as an important addition to the movement since most Islamic terrorists are between 20 and 30 years old, the group told United Press International. "We Muslim-American students and youth stand united in condemning all acts of terror and the burgeoning war on ideas," the group said in a statement. "The voice of American Muslim youth is essential at this tenuous time, and we will rise to the occasion of making our values heard ... We seek to cultivate a culture of pluralism, tolerance and coexistence for the advancement of all people." British Prime Minister Tony Blair has said that future attacks on his country, which has a large immigrant Muslim population, could be prevented in part by legal and security measures, but "in the end, this can only be taken on and defeated by the [Muslim] community itself." Some Muslim youth groups in the United States appear to have the same thought. Signed by some 30 Muslim student groups from universities across the country, including the University of California at Los Angeles and Cornell University, the statement offers an open-invitation for other groups to sign on and affirms that Islam does not tolerate terrorism under any circumstances. A number of the largest U.S. Muslim groups -- including The Islamic Circle of North America, the Coalition of Islamic Organizations of Chicago, the Council on American-Islamic Relations and groups which are part of the National Grassroots Campaign to Fight Terrorism -- have outspokenly condemned acts of terror since the London attacks. Salam Al-Marayati, the director of the Muslim Affairs Council, told UPI that his organization plans to "positively and constructively intervene with our youth to make sure they have a good understanding of Islam so that no extremists will play upon them." He said the campaign is in its nascent stage but may begin Internet outreach or hold a youth summit in the fall. Al-Marayati said he does not think that there are any young Muslims in the United States who embrace terrorist ideologies, yet. "I don't think there are any right now; this is a proactive program. We are not going to wait for extremist groups to recruit any of our youth," he said. The way to prevent young Muslims from adopting violent views is "to preach the ideology of love and mutual respect and justice, and secondly, to bring youth into more positive, active engagement with society, and to listen to them so we reduce the likelihood of alienation," Al-Marayati said. Other signatories include the national office of the Muslim Students Association located in Virginia. The Association is the first and largest coalition of Muslim students in the United States, with nearly 600 chapters averaging 50 students per chapter. The national office however, does not speak for the local chapters. Local MSA chapters, like the one in Ohio University in Athens, which had not yet signed onto the Muslim Affairs campaign, have put letters of sympathy for the London victims on their website and lent their support to a petition of Muslim groups which disassociate themselves from terror. The petition was put out by Council on American Islamic relations. But at times, no action seems like enough to clear Muslims in the minds of others, said Usame Tunagur, of the group's Ohio chapter. This week the group plans to run a story in the local newspaper about how the local Muslim community was not only saddened by the attacks in London -- and more recently, in Egypt -- but also tired of the negative impressions these attacks give about Islam, Tunagur said. "It really saddens the hearts of community members because when each of these things happens it worsens the image of Islam," he said. Tunagur said he felt "hurt" that reports by the British Broadcasting Corporation following the London attacks focused on how "these people could be our next door neighbors." "They are creating this atmosphere of fear and paranoia in the general public -- so bringing down the borders (between people), opening up is not very easy," he said. In the nine years Tunagur has spent in the United States and the two he has lived in Athens, where about 50-75 community members are Muslim, Tunagur said he has never heard Muslims say they support terrorist acts. Before Sept. 11, he said there was a much larger Muslim student community at the university, particularly from Saudi Arabia, but that after the attacks the school has not received a lot of new Muslim students. Tunagur called Athens a "progressive" and "open-minded" town, but said that many students on campus seem to think that in general Muslims overseas "want us dead," calling that a "generalization of people who live in the States." "Most of the time we see the destruction and not the construction because the destruction is shorter, quicker and attracts more attention," he said. Over the past four or five years, Muslim groups in the United States have become increasingly quick to condemn acts of terror, but Tunagur believes something more is needed. "I think having proactive events is the next step," if Muslims are to cut through the "huge curtain between the values of Islam and the West" that terrorism presents he said. The best way for Muslims to change the way they are viewed, but also take action on the political issues they support, is to take the route of political activism and social responsibility, the American Anti-Arab Discrimination Committee told UPI. Young Muslims should "get involved in society and work for the betterment of society and that will help address whatever grievances you have," said Layla Al-Qatami, the Communications Director at the Committee, which is opposed to terrorism and provides legal aid to Arabs facing discrimination. The Council on American Islamic relations also said they support the youth campaign "wholeheartedly" and that they had launched a recent campaign of 120 imams who condemn extremism and terrorism. "I think the false perception that Muslims in general support terrorism leads to violence and that's why we launched our 'Not in the Name of Islam' petition drive," Ibrahim Hooper, the Communications Director at the Council told UPI. Specifically, he cited the plight of the Palestinians. Another Muslim student group, The Islamic Alliance for Justice at Cornell University, claimed that "certain elements within the American political spectrum" have falsely accused Muslims of silence and even tacit support of terrorism. But "condemnation has in fact been consistently voiced by leading Muslim bodies and organizations both foreign and domestic," Ahmad Maaty, president of the Alliance at Cornell, told UPI. He said he and the groups' chapter at George Washington University in Washington are now planning a number of events, including interfaith dialogues and solidarity vigils, documentaries, panel discussions, and articles and op/eds in local and campus media.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69696)	5/31/2008 1:36:27 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541110

MannyMoose; OK. Let's see those seven million come out with an effective opposition against members of their faith who like to, oh let's see: Racist? Did you expect the same when a white man shot Kennedy? Do we all need to declare we are against killing? Of course not because some things are so blatently obvious they don't need affirmation. steve

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69696)	5/31/2008 2:09:19 PM
From: Alastair McIntosh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541110

If there are any Muslims who oppose terrorists, they are for all practical purposes cowering in fear of their own. At least that's the explanation I've heard for their silence. It is somewhat surprising that you are not aware that there are many Muslims who oppose terrorists and who have written about their opposition to terrorism. This website (Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks) provides links to the articles listed below: muhajabah.com Muslim Leaders A Message from the Council on American-Islamic Relations American Muslim Leaders Condemn Attacks American Muslims Denouncing Terrorism American Muslims and Scholars Denounce Terrorism on Anniversary of 9/11 Australian Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attack Bin Laden Distorts Islam, Islamic Scholars Say Bin Laden's Idea of 'Jihad' is Out of Bounds, Islamic Scholars Say British Muslim leaders condemn terrorism British Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks Canadian Muslims Condemn Terorist Attacks Islamic Statements Against Terrorism in the Wake of the September 11 Mass Murders Islamic World Deplores U.S. Losses Looking for Answers in Islam's Holy Book: What Islamic Scholars Have to Say Muslim Reactions to Sept 11 Muslim Voices Against Extremism & Terrorism - Part II - Statements by Organizations Muslim World Condemns Attacks on U.S. Muslim rulers condemn WTC attacks New Zealand Muslims Condemn Terrorism Organization of the Islamic Conference Foreign Ministers Condemn International Terrorism Quran a Book of Peace Not War, Islamic Scholars Say Scholars of Islam Condemn Terrorism Some American Muslims Take a Look at Their Communities' Shortcomings U.S. Muslim Scholars Condemn Attacks UK Muslim Leaders Condemn 'Lunatic Fringe' When is jihad OK? Muslim Perspectives Specific Muslim Scholars A Common Word Between Us and You, by 130 Islamic scholars Attacks on Civilians: Forbidden by Islam, by Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah of Lebanon condemns Osama Bin Laden, by Ayatollah Muhammad Husain Fadlallah Bin Laden's Violence is a Heresy Against Islam, by AbdulHakim Murad (Tim Winter) Defending the Civilians (a fatwa against terrorism), by Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti Expert Says Islam Prohibits Violence Against Innocents, by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar Condemns Suicide Bombings, by Shaykh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi High Mufti of Russian Muslims calls for Extradition of Bin Laden, by Russian Muslim leaders Iran's Supreme Leader Condemns Attacks on U.S., by Ayatollah Ali Khamanei Islam and the Question of Violence, by Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Iranian scholar Jihad and the Modern World, by Dr. Sherman Jackson Jihad: Its True Meaning and Purpose, by Muzammil H. Siddiqui Most Prominent Sunni Muslim Scholar Condemns Killing of Civilians, by Shaykh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University Muslim Attitudes about Violence, by Shaykh Muhammad al-Munajjid Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism - Part I - Fatwas, by various scholars Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism - Part IV A few Quotes, by various scholars On the Terrorist Attacks, by Imam Zaid Shakir Prominent Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden, by Tahir ul Qadri Reclaiming Islam from the Terrorists, by AbdulHakim Murad, British scholar Reflections on the National Horror of September 11, 2001, by Muzammil H. Siddiqui Refutation of Bin Laden's Defense of Terrorism, by Moiz Amjad, Pakistani scholar Response to a Question about Islam and Terrorism, by Moiz Amjad, Pakistani scholar Saudi Clerics Condemn Terrorism, by Sheikh Abderrahman al-Sudayes Saudi Grand Mufti Condemns Terrorist Attacks in U.S., by Shaikh Abdulaziz Al-Ashaikh Scholars' Statements Regarding The Attacks In The United States, by Shaykh Abdul-Aziz Aali-Shaykh, Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and President of the Committee of Senior Scholars, and Shaykh Saleh Al-Lehaydaan, Chief Justice Of The Saudi Arabian Judiciary, and Shaykh Dr. Saaleh Ibn Ghaanem As-Sadlaan, Pres. Higher Studies Dept. Al-Imaam Muhammd Ibn Saud Islamic University Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden, by Spanish Muslim leaders Terrorism Is at Odds With Islamic Tradition, by Khaled Abou El Fadl Terrorism: Not a doorway to heaven, by Jamil Abdul Razzak Hajoo, of Idriss Mosque, Seattle The Myth of Islamic Terrorism Exploded, by Shaykh Abdul Azeez bin Abdullah bin Baaz and Shaykh Muhammad Bin Saalih al Uthaymeen The worst enemies of Islam are from within, by Hamza Yusuf Top Saudi Cleric Says Attacks on U.S. a Terrible Crime in Islam, by Shaykh Salah al-Lahidan, head of the Islamic Judiciary of Saudi Arabia Violence Against Innocents Violates Islamic Law, by Imam Siraj Wahhaj What is jihad? What is terrorism?, by Statement by Muslim scholars Individual Ordinary Muslims A Curse Upon the Brigands Who Kill Children, by Aziz Poonawalla A Dastardly Act, by Ikram Seghal A Muslim Surgeon's Prayer for His Fellow Americans, by Aftab Ahmad Amid simmering religious tension, Muslims denounce killing of Christian family, by (Associated Press report) Area Muslims slam suicide bombing, by Washington Times report Bin Laden's Fatwa is a Call to Plunder Not Jihad, by Aziz H. Poonawalla Defaming, Defiling, and Falsifying Islam: A Condemnation of al-Qaeda, by Frank M. Afflitto, convert to Islam Does the Quran Sanction Violence?, by Mohamed Elmasry Hirabah versus Jihad, by Robert D. Crane, convert to Islam Horrified by What Happened in the U.S., by Ahmad Y. Majdoubeh Human Nature at Its Worst, by Amir Meshkin I Believe in Allah and America, by Arsalan Iftikhar I'm Not the Enemy, by Reshma Memon Yaqub Islam Demands a Muslim Response to 9/11 (PDF), by Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad Islam condemns all acts of terrorism, by Daar-ul-Ehsaan Islam is Not the Source of Terrorism, by Harun Yahya Islam is Not to Blame, by Omar Sarwar Islam is a Religion of Peace, Not Terrorism, by Muhammad Ali Islam: A Home of Tolerance Not Fanaticism, by Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) Islamic Scholars Should Speak Up for the Truth about Islam and Jihad, by Laila Nasheeba-Or Jihad Means Waging Peace and Justice, by Mohamed Elmasry May God Touch All of Us with His Infinite Grace, by Susan Abulhawa Muslim scholars reach out to Pope, by BBC News Muslims Must Not Let Terrorism Become the Voice of Islam, by Blerime Topalli My Fatwa on the Fanatics, by Ziauddin Sardar Not In My Name: A Treatise Against Religious Intolerance, by Richard L. Dixon, convert to Islam Osama Bin Laden: An Enemy of Islam, by Muqtedar Khan Press Release, by Khalid Usman, Councillor, Ward 7, Markham, Ontario Salafi scholars condemn terrorism, by collected by Just your average Muslim Some Misappropriations of Quranic Verses, by David Dakake, Islamic Research Institute (PDF) Terror Is Not Islam, by Kari Ann Owen (convert to Islam) The Meaning of Jihad, by Hesham Hassaballa The Real Meaning of the Concept of Jihad, by Ahmed Motiar Twin Towers Viewed from a Western Minaret: Thoughts of a Convert to Islam, by Michael Wolfe Under Attack, by Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad What Does the Quran's 'Verse of the Sword' Really Mean?, by Hesham A. Hassaballa When the innocent are murdered, we all go into the dark with them, by Ziauddin Sardar Who Hijacked Islam, by Anwar Ibrahim, Malaysian dissident World's future hinges on peace between faiths, Islamic scholars tell Pope, by Riazat Butt and Martin Hodgson