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To: longnshort who wrote (252423)	5/31/2008 2:14:47 PM
From: gamesmistress	Respond to of 793817

Priests have considerable discretion over parish funds. I remember several scandals when priests spent money on cars, apartments, "friends", trips to Atlantic City.... Then you hear screams about where was the accountability, where was the Cardinal or Bishop. A parish can be run into the ground by a priest like that, just like a business.

To: longnshort who wrote (252423)	5/31/2008 2:33:23 PM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793817

What vows do priests make? Dioceasan priests don't make vows, they make promises. It is akin to the vow, but the promise is a promise of obedience to the local ordinary, who is the bishop. It's a technical term. An obedience to the bishop is made, and that's all that the dioceasan priesthood makes. They're asked to live a life of chastity, but that's it. My two uncles who are dioceasan priests, tell me as religious priests, I make three vows and then as a missionary oblate I've made a fourth vow. The vows I made are: poverty, to live a simple life, where everything I have is shared with the community I live with and the community looks after me; obedience, recognizing that I'm called to listen to what God is asking of me, but I listen to it through my community who are also praying with me and want the best for me. I listen particularly through my own superiors, but it's a joint listening, it's a two-way listening. I can share my own thoughts around it. It's not just about jump and you jump, but it's about saying, "is this what I'm being called to?" I pray about it, I go back, I talk about it, and then make the decision to accept. I also take a vow of chastity, which is the call to live a chaste life. We don't marry, and so we are celibates. But everyone, even a married person, is called to a life of chastity, which is a faithfulness to the spouse, so I am called to be faithful to my commitment as a religious. And the fourth vow I take as a missionary oblate is a vow of perseverence. Perseverence is contained in all the first three vows, once you take it for life you have to persevere in it. As a missionary oblate it's a recognition that the vows are difficult to live and that commitment to those vows takes a lifetime of persevering in it. As priests then, dioceasan priests make a vow of obedience to the bishop, a promise of obedience to the bishop. They're called to live a chaste life. They don't take a vow of poverty or anything like that, so it's not worth complaining about a dioceasan having everything because they have never taken the vow. My uncles always tell me in zest that they live the vow but I have taken it, because life is hard for priests as well as for religion. As a religious, because I live in community, the community looks after me, so I don't have to worry about a lot of stuff. I don't have a mortgage and I don't have worry about where my next food is going to come on the table because the community is there looking after my needs. The community, by looking after my needs, allows me to be free to be and to be with other people in their own needs. videojug.com