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To: ManyMoose who wrote (69892)	6/1/2008 3:54:21 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542946

>>I did not intentionally twist Obama's statement. I don't have time to research every bit of information, and it really doesn't make any difference because everything I say is challenged anyway.<< MM - I believe you. I don't think you're intentionally twisting Obama's words. What you are doing is relying on unreliable sources for your information about him. Your sources have an interest in casting doubt and suspicion on Obama, and they are taking things he has said out of context, or repeating things others have taken out of context without checking them out. Their purpose is not to understand what Obama actually stands for and who he is, but to make him out to be some kind of horrifying radical extremist. If you use those kinds of sources, you're bound to get bad information. And before you defend your sources, note the sequence of events that has happened here more than a few times now. You find some "Oh my God, did he really say that?" quotation. You post it here. Someone here then provides the corrected quote, and/or the context in which it was said. This happens every single time you post one of those quotations from Obama. A subtle pattern begins to emerge. The problem is that your sources are not telling the truth. You may choose to keep using those sources for information if you wish, but don't forget that they have a lousy record for factuality. - Allen

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69892)	6/1/2008 6:43:42 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542946

I still think less of both of them for not saying "NO" in the first place. Do you not think its a bit presumptuous, and perhaps even blasphemous, for us to tell the Creator He screwed up when He made cannabis? ...it really doesn't make any difference because everything I say is challenged anyway. If the reasoning is not airtight and the sources impeccable and the quotes accurate and in context, anything anyone says here will be challenged. And that's not a bad thing.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69892)	6/1/2008 7:39:01 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542946

I don't have time to research every bit of information It seems to me that if we are to even form and hold an opinion, let alone assert that opinion, we have some obligation to ourselves and to society to inform our opinion process. If our opinions are consciously uninformed, maybe flaunting that fact isn't such a good idea.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (69892)	6/1/2008 4:03:04 PM
From: freelyhovering	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542946

Saying NO to pot these days is like vowing to be a Virgin until marriage. Pot is everywhere and teenagers are curious about the effects as they hear peers talk about how 'groovy' it is. I am not campaigning for teenage drug use, just saying as they watch their parents indulge in semi-legal drugs like tranquilizers, or alcohol, it is hard to not be curious. By the way, the research shows that those who make Virginal Vows, have a higher pre-marital pregnancy rate than the non-Vowers. Also, current research in Cocaine addiction suggests that rather than Just Say No, as Nancy said, Saying YES to the continuing desire and then saying NO to actual use, increases the ability to abstain. It makes a lot of sense, psychologically, as when we humans try to deny that we have certain wishes and fantasies, pressure builds and more and more mental resources have to be used to fight off the 'devil'. Acknowledging wishes and then not doing anything about them is much more mentally economical. For example, try not to think about the color ORANGE for the next 30 seconds. It's hard to think about anything else. But, if you give in to the suggestion as a thought, you can go on to other things to think about. So think about whatever you want to or desire, and then decide if it is good for you or safe. That is what I have taught my children. They have and are turning out very well and are law-abiding citizens and two of them are very good parents while the 3rd is still in school.