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To: ManyMoose who wrote (69898)6/1/2008 2:38:10 AM
From: DanD  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543574
 
As I understand the rules of this thread, it is supposed to be debate about issues, not individuals. You have attacked me on a very personal level, for which I forgive you.

How? By quoting you?

If Muslim doctrine condemns murder and suicide, they sure do a hell of a job of ignoring their doctrine.

So do Christians bub.

Murder rates by country. Note: predominately Christian counties at the top of the list and Muslim at the bottom.

Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
#11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
#12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
#13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
#16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
#17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
#18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
#20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
#21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
#22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
#23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
#26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
#27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
#28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
#29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
#30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
#31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
#32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
#33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
#34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
#35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
#36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
#37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
#38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
#39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
#40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
#41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
#42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
#43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
#44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
#45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
#47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
#48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
#49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
#50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
#51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
#52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
#53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
#54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
#55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
#56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
#57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
#58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
#59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
#60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
#61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
#62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people

Cut the personal attacks, if you please. I stand up for what I believe, because obviously nobody else is going to.

How is anything I said a personal attack?

Dale, a ruling?

Oh! And go forgive yourself!



To: ManyMoose who wrote (69898)6/1/2008 9:55:53 AM
From: Dale Baker  Respond to of 543574
 
Cut the personal attacks, if you please. I stand up for what I believe, because obviously nobody else is going to.

If you post items as "facts" and they are not true, you will be challenged on them. That is not personal that is a matter of accurate information to support your arguments.

Everyone posting is held to the same standard. If it ain't right, someone can call you on it.

That rule encourages people to make sure stuff is accurate before it is posted. If that is too burdensome for you, you will run into problems here. It is not a thread that accepts pure assertions based on one poster's words.



To: ManyMoose who wrote (69898)6/1/2008 10:27:15 AM
From: ChinuSFO  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543574
 
If Muslim doctrine condemns murder and suicide,

You need to be sure if the doctrine preaches violence. I have listened to both sides and it does not preach violence. I will let you look further into it.

There are other religions I know which says it is OK to lie under certain circumstances. If the Germans, who hid some Jews in their basements, and did not lie to Hitler's army, those Jews would not have been alive.