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To: Stan who wrote (11973)	6/2/2008 5:21:25 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

Stan...."It still depends on your definition of "Christian.""..... You appear to have your own version of what a christian is and that is fine...I just don't really care which group of christians you may belong to. IMO The USA is primarily a christian country...so far...briton used to be as well. There are moslum countries with different sect of moslums within the country and each one of them believe they are the correct moslum cult. ...."As to having NO Christians left from being persecuted and killed, history proves that conclusion quite wrong. There is an ancient saying, "the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church." ".... And where did all the christians go that use to live in the ME.? Seems to me that the moslums took over most all of christian properties....is that seeding of the church ? ...and which church do you refer too?. ...."These few, true Christians could take up arms to defend themselves; but when finally faced with the Great Decision: Kill or Die, they choose to follow the example of their Lord, who was crucified for their sins".... No offence intended here but IMO that's a dumb move on the part of christians...a christian dies at the hands of a moslum, one less christian and one more radical moslum to kill again. ...."So, not only have persecutors failed to stamp out true Christian faith throughout the millennia, but also, faith in Jesus Christ grew underneath the pogroms. Ancient Rome could not destroy it; modern Communism did not do it; the Muslims won't do it either.".... In the days of Jesus moslums did not exist, today there are over a billion and a half of them prowling planet Earth and they got that large by brute force murdering millions who stood in their way....christians are becoming less and less. Maybe if they fought back with everything at their disposal they may survive...but if they just give in to the enemies and pray for them as they are being executed...well guess who wins. In war it's not who is right but who is left.

To: Stan who wrote (11973)	6/3/2008 7:37:38 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

American Christians face 'hate crime' for preaching gospel Pastors told they can't spread Jesus' message in Muslim area June 01, 2008 © 2008 WorldNetDaily worldnetdaily.com Two American-born pastors handing out gospel leaflets in a predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham, England, were threatened with arrest and warned of being beaten for committing what an officer called a "hate crime." Arthur Cunningham, 48, and Joseph Abraham, 65, were handing out the leaflets and talking with local youths when they were approached and questioned by a police community support officer, or PCSO. When the officer discovered the two Birmingham pastors were born in the U.S., he began a heated criticism of President Bush and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cunningham explained that the gospel message was not linked to American foreign policy, but the officer reportedly became belligerent. "He said we were in a Muslim area and were not allowed to spread our Christian message," Cunningham told the London Telegraph. "He said we were committing a hate crime by telling the youths to leave Islam and said that he was going to take us to the police station." In England a PCSO is a full-time employee of the police charged with community peacekeeping, but the officers do not have the power of arrest without a constable. In this case, the pastors refused to accompany the PCSO into the presence of a constable or to divulge their home addresses as, they said, the officer grew "threatening and intimidating." The ministers also claim the PCSO bullied them, saying, "You have been warned. If you come back here and get beaten up, well, you have been warned." The local police station has since announced that the matter was fully investigated and that the PCSO would be given corrective training, but the incident fuels concerns that there are areas in Britain where the Christian message is increasingly unwelcome. In April, Rev. Michael Nazir-Ali, bishop of Rochester and the Church of England's only Pakistan-born bishop, wrote in the Telegraph that certain pockets of England were becoming "no-go" zones, places too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter. Joseph Abraham, one of the threatened pastors agrees. He told the paper, "I couldn't believe this was happening in Britain. The bishop of Rochester was criticized by the Church of England recently when he said there were no-go areas in Britain, but he was right; there are certainly no-go areas for Christians who want to share the gospel."