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To: BUGGI-WO who wrote (252889)	6/5/2008 4:05:45 PM
From: mas_	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Losing a cycle in L1 is a big friggin deal, you can lose 5-10% performance alone, see Prescott vs Northwood in some cases. You are also mixing up HT gains with ipc gains. I'm only interested in the processor truth just like when I pointed out to you how good Conroe would be from the specs in Jan 2006, you didn't take that too well if I recall so please no lectures on fanboyism as they are more applicable to you than me ;-).

To: BUGGI-WO who wrote (252889)	6/6/2008 9:48:56 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Re: Pre Nehalem is already 30% IPC-wise over Penryn There's an awful long history of the advertising funded web sites who "somehow" get to present the first sightings of Intel chips happening to use the corner case benchmarks that show that chip in a much better light than just random choice would show. It doesn't support video cards and won't run gaming benchmarks? That said, the benchmarks shown, corner cases or not, were quite impressive. I'll be most interested to see how it does on real world applications. My biggest issue is how well it will run Oracle database and J2EE. Another issue is how licensing will be handled for a 6 core chip. One Oracle license is required for every 2 cores. I can still buy dual core Opterons and put up an Oracle server for $50k ($10 for the box and $40k for Oracle). Oracle is extremely efficient in its use of CPU time - 1 dual core CPU is all it takes to be spindle bound. The same performance with a 6 core part would cost me $130k, unless Oracle changes its licensing policy. Oracle is not alone in this. I run into the same problem with ESRI.