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Politics : Rat's Nest - Chronicles of Collapse -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ron who wrote (7793)	6/6/2008 11:19:55 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 24213

OK..when I saw it on TOD, they were speculating it was something to do with a storm effecting Mexico's Gulf oil fields.

To: Ron who wrote (7793)	6/6/2008 11:23:58 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24213

Drum posting from my "neighbor" Todd (well, post office boxes)...interesting ? at the end, my answer in the next post. Self-sufficient versus Self-reliant First my very simple definitions: Self-sufficient - Can provide for all needs to maintain current lifestyle forever. Self-reliant - Flexible, adaptable and willing to change as necessary so as to not die. A Boy Scout or mountain man approach to lifestyle. I raise this issue because there was yet another link yesterday to a guy who was aiming to be "self-sufficient" yet couldn't even provide all of his energy needs. There are only going to be two groups who have a chance at self-sufficiency; hunter-gatherers and people like Bill Gates who can afford a warehouse of a lifetime supply of "stuff." The best that the rest of us can do is aim to be self-reliant. All one has to do is think about all the goods an individual would have to somehow provide to actually be self-sufficient such as shoes/clothing, medicine/medical/dental/optical, replacement parts for equipment/structures and on and on. My concern is that people are being sucked into the idea that they can be "self-sufficient" when they don't have a chance in heck of success. I'm better prepared than 99% of people in the US and my realistic goal is self-reliance. Here's a simple thought experiment that I call Todd's Container Test - You know with a certainty that society is going to collapse and all goods will vanish for the remainder of your lifetime. You have unlimited money to buy anything. However, whatever you buy has to fit into a standard 8'x8'x40' container. What would you put into the container? Todd theoildrum.com