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To: Rambi who wrote (71916)	6/12/2008 11:20:58 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 542004

yup "but couching it as the executive branch being the noble protector and the SC as being an arm of Al Qaeda is just too reminiscent of the with us or against us mantra." Protecting the rights of human beings accused of a crime is not what Al Qaeda does best. That's what people in democracies, who care about the rights of people, do. Al Qaedans are the kind of people who'd put you in a cage and NOT let you have a trial- or just kill you, or torture you. People who do THAT are like Al Qaedans.

To: Rambi who wrote (71916)	6/14/2008 2:08:58 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542004

>>Since I can't imagine why half the SC would be protecting terrorists, I wind up thinking what they are really doing is protecting us from a president who refused to accept their last ruling, defied them by changing the laws, and now they are all lined up for the old pissing contest. << Rambi - Some people continue to believe that the goal of those who are concerned about things like habeas corpus are interested in protecting the guilty, whether they be terrorists or common criminals. That's the fundamental misunderstanding here. The Justices who voted with the majority in this case are trying to protect innocent people who have been apprehended by mistake. That is a worthy, freedom-and-justice-affirming choice. Habeas Corpus is a fundamental legal principle that protects the innocent. I don't think affirming it has anything to do with a pissing contest. - Allen

To: Rambi who wrote (71916)	6/14/2008 2:15:19 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542004

>>Since I can't imagine why half the SC would be protecting terrorists, I wind up thinking what they are really doing is protecting us from a president who refused to accept their last ruling, defied them by changing the laws, and now they are all lined up for the old pissing contest. << Rambi - Some people continue to believe that the goal of those who are concerned about things like habeas corpus are interested in protecting the guilty, whether they be terrorists or common criminals. That's the fundamental misunderstanding here. The Justices who voted with the majority in this case are trying to protect innocent people who have been apprehended by mistake. Habeas Corpus is a fundamental legal principle that protects the innocent, and is one of the most important pillars of our entire justice system. I don't think affirming it has anything to do with a pissing contest. - Allen