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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (30792)	6/13/2008 11:23:04 AM
From: TideGlider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224755

That is BS and they will birth when the calf is ready and wherever they may be. What about the shelf around the country? That is where the real oil is? Why not drill there Kenneth?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (30792)	6/13/2008 11:35:29 AM
From: tonto	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224755

Think about these comments from people who know the area: Well, since the caribou population actually INCREASED with the opening of Prudhoe bay- and I have hunted and been in those areas as well- I doubt very seriously that the porcupine herd will even notice there are rigs out there- the area is that big. Think state of texas big- but empty of anything but arctic life- no single large settlement of poeple there- the 7000 are scattered in a very, very large area- with the Gwich'in natives closest- and most dependent on the herd. No doubt whatsoever in my mind that the decimation of that herd would be like genocide to that culture as well- and I am not exagerating one bit- their entire way of life is tied to that herd. So you can see I am a bit torn here. I know Gwich'in natives, have spoken with them on this very issue- and thier concern for the herd is real. But once drilling is done on Prudhoe bay- once those rigs are dissassembled and nothing but gravel pads are left- the place will still be just like man found it for millenia. I have no doubt about it- because you just have to go out there and see nothing but the rig for a gazzilion miles in any direction- and this is from the air! The foot print is just too small to have any real effect. In fact- the real pressure may come from opening up roads to that area- now that the Dalton Hiway is open ( and I went up it this summer to recover a motorcycle) - there are more enviromental threats than when the oil company was the only allowed entity to use the roadway. So many folks worry about pressure, from all things- from Eco-tourists!- Now that may very well be the real legitmate argument for the Gwich'in natives- the invasion of unwanted Yuppies with wool! Also consider- all operation is only done during the winter- when there is no porcupine herd in that area- the biggest hole in the ENTIRE "we may harm the herd" thinking- the fact that there is nothing but caretaker staff there during the summer- and all construction is done in the winter- so there is absolutely no way the oil company could "disturb" the herd in any way! If you ask most Gwich'in natives, they will tell you they are more concerned about the "invasion"'s affect on the herd than the oil companies- so it is a legitimate concern- the added population of POEPLE there due to roads being added. It is the attitude of the pro-ANWR crowd that scares the Gwich'in the most - anwr.org The residents of Kaktovik, the only people living on the Coastal Plain of ANWR, support oil and gas development in their 'back yard'. Alaska's indigenous people have benefited greatly from North Slope production. In addition to providing a tax base for the local government, oil development has provided jobs, funding for water and sewer systems and schools. Native and village corporations with oil field-related subsidiaries are working on the North Slope, and the local government has a voice in permitting and environmental regulation. BTW- check out the picture here: anwr.org

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (30792)	6/13/2008 4:13:28 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 224755

Many human babies will be cold this Winter if their parents can't afford oil to heat their homes. There comes a time when extreme environmentalism must take a back seat to the needs of the human race.