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To: Lane3 who wrote (72111)	6/14/2008 9:37:14 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542838

This whole thing started right after 9/11 when the question of whether that was a crime or an act of war. That has never been settled. The answer is obvious. Assuming we still engaged in the quaint practice of declaring war, who or what would be the recipient of said declaration? A person? A group of persons? The nation where they were based? If the latter, we'd have had to declare war against Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Germany and ourselves, among others. Since stateless individuals are responsible for terrorist acts, they must logically be called crimes. That this Admin has succeeded in confusing the question says more about its political machinations that it does about the question itself.

To: Lane3 who wrote (72111)	6/14/2008 11:30:26 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542838

IMO the cleanest way of getting on the right track would be to go back and argue that formally and officially. If terrorist acts are crimes, then all those processes are moot. If it's war, then it's a new kind of war and the old war processes need to be revised and vetted. That's EXACTLY what I have been trying (unsuccessfully) to say. I suppose that is what Bush was trying to do with the creation of those military courts, but without clarifying actual definitions of status very clearly, you wind up with challenges. Things were too muddled, and the process too unclear. Holding men for years and years in a war that isn't really a war, gets pretty iffy.