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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (31127)	6/16/2008 1:01:38 PM
From: MJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224749

Suggest you contact Bush or his press relations and pose your questions. No draft-------anti-war demonstrations for Vietnam killed any politician supporting a return to the draft. The hell no we won't go crowd is now supporting Obama. Why did Obama not do his duty and serve in the military?

To: koan who wrote (31127)	6/16/2008 3:49:59 PM
From: DizzyG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224749

Close, but no cigar koan... When the dems wanted to raise the pay for gi's bush said: "it was not necessary". Here is the actual quote from the STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY: Military Pay: The Administration strongly opposes sections 601 and 608 of the bill. The additional 0.5 percent increase in 2009 above the President’s proposed 3.4 percent across-the-board pay increase is unnecessary, as are increased pay raises in the outyears. The 10th Quadrennial Review of Military Compensation reaffirmed that the overall military benefit package provides a good quality of life for servicemembers and their families. While the Administration agrees that military pay must be kept competitive, the 3.4 percent raise, equal to the increase in the Employment Cost Index, will do that. The cost of these provisions, above the President’s Budget request, is $293 million in FY 2009 and $8.3 billion from FY 2009 to FY 2014 whitehouse.gov So President Bush had already proposed a 3.4% pay increase. What he opposed was an additional .5%. So your statement is nothing more then a talking point. Also from this STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY: Iraq: The Administration strongly opposes any provision that would set an arbitrary date for beginning the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq without regard to conditions on the ground or the recommendations of commanders. Precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would not bring peace to the region or make our people safer here at home. whitehouse.gov It appears that the Dems tried to slip in a lot of junk for H.R. 5658. Diz-

To: koan who wrote (31127)	6/16/2008 5:13:40 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 224749

....."When the dems wanted to raise the pay for gi's bush said: "it was not necessary".".... WASHINGTON -- President Bush signed an executive order Friday that provides pay raises this year for federal employees, military personnel, Cabinet officers and members of Congress. Jan 5, 2008 findarticles.com The order covers about 336,000 federal employees in the Washington-Baltimore region. Workers will receive a 4.49 percent increase under a salary formula that gives higher adjustments to certain metropolitan areas where officials believe federal pay has lagged the private sector the furthest. The average civil service raise will be 3.5 percent, according to the order. The base pay for military personnel will rise by an average of 3 percent, but Congress and the White House plan to add 0.5 percent to the military raise after an agreement is reached on an Iraq-related issue in the fiscal 2008 defense authorization bill, which Bush rejected last month. Officials said the add-on military raise would be retroactive to Jan. 1. Salaries for members of the House and Senate will rise to $169,300 from $165,200. Congress did not receive a raise in 2007 because Democrats did not want to accept one while debating an increase in the minimum wage.