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To: LindyBill who wrote (255009)	6/19/2008 3:37:09 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793850

Can you go over to the courthouse and look it up?

To: LindyBill who wrote (255009)	6/19/2008 4:59:24 PM
From: mistermj	Respond to of 793850

It should be noted that this isn't just Kos peddling this thing. Obama shows the same certificate at his web site...Fight the Smears. They also call on Obama supporters to fight this smear with a convenient email message generator: Friend -- You may have recently heard right-wing smears questioning Barack Obama's birth certificate and citizenship. These assertions are completely false and designed to play into the worst kind of stereotypes. You can see Barack Obama's birth certificate for yourself and help push back with the truth at: my.barackobama.com Together we can make sure these negative and divisive attacks don't affect this campaign. Thanks for your help.

To: LindyBill who wrote (255009)	6/19/2008 5:35:41 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793850

>>as a graphics expert shows conclusively, it is a fake<< It raises questions, but the "expert" was comparing a Hawaii state certificate to a New York City certificate. Someone familiar with Hawaii birth certificates should post a follow-up analysis. And the Obama folks should post the original birth certificate if they really want to dispel the rumors.

To: LindyBill who wrote (255009)	6/19/2008 5:51:47 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793850

I wondered why they blacked out the Certificate Number. What mischief could someone do with that?

To: LindyBill who wrote (255009)	6/19/2008 10:35:33 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793850

If it is a Certificated Copy of Birth Certificate, it should have be embossed stamped by the County Clerk's office where it originated. If it was just a plain Copy of Birth Certificate, it could be altered. Those are not stamped with an embossed stamp by the County Clerk. Maybe they think most of us wouldn't know the difference. For instance, WI dhfs.state.wi.us What is the difference between a certified and an uncertified copy of a birth certificate? A certified copy of a birth certificate issued by the Wisconsin Vital Records Office will have a raised seal, will show the signature of the State Registrar, and will be printed on security paper. A certified copy is required to obtain a state-issued driver’s license or identification, a passport, or insurance benefits, or to travel to some foreign countries. State law restricts who may obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate. A certified copy may be issued to: • The person named on the record, • The spouse of the person named on the record, • A parent of the person named on the record, • A sibling of the person named on the record, • A child of the person named on the record, • A grandparent of the person named on the record, • A person authorized in writing by one of the above. The written authorization must accompany the request and the relationship of the authorizing party to the subject of the record must be clearly explained, or • A person who can demonstrate that the record is required to protect a personal or property right. If you do not meet one of the above criteria, you cannot receive a certified copy of a birth certificate. An uncertified copy of a birth certificate is available to anyone who applies. An uncertified copy will contain the same information as a certified copy but will not be acceptable for legal purposes, such as obtaining identification.