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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: RMF who wrote (31546)	6/21/2008 1:01:24 PM
From: MJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224748

Sure a Senator who runs away from voting when its convenient for him, both in the Illinois Senate and the USA Senate. Neither Lincoln or Jefferson ran away from their duties----they embraced their duties. Politics of convenience for Obama-----voting present or not being present to vote. Convenient, really convenient. No Obama.

To: RMF who wrote (31546)	6/21/2008 1:25:26 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224748

I think Obama is closer to Benidict Arnold then those 2.

To: RMF who wrote (31546)	6/21/2008 3:59:23 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224748

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.

To: RMF who wrote (31546)	6/21/2008 6:07:47 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 224748

UNITED IN FEAR “I am leading to the notion of social control, Peter. To the requirement of every sovereign state to exert control over the behavior of its citizens, to keep them orderly and reasonably docile. To keep them driving on the right side of the road-or the left as the case may be. To keep them paying taxes. And of course we know that social control is best managed through fear.” “Fear,” Evans said. “Exactly. For fifty years, Western nations had maintained their citizens in a state of perpetual fear. Fear of the other side. Fear of nuclear war. The communist menace. The Iron Curtain. The Evil Empire. And within the Communist countries, the same in reverse. Fear of us. Then, suddenly, in the fall of 1989, it was all finished. Gone, vanished. Over. The fall of the Berlin Wall created a vacuum of fear. Nature abhors a vacuum. Something had to fill it.” Evans frowned. “You’re saying the environmental crises took the place of the Cold War?” “That is what the evidence shows. Of course, now we have radical fundamentalism and post-9/11 terrorism to make us afraid, and those are certainly real reasons for fear, but that is not my point. My point is, there is always a cause for fear. The cause may change over time, but the fear is always with us. Before terrorism we feared the toxic environment. Before that we had the Communist menace. The point is, although the specific cause of our fear may change, we are never without the fear itself. Fear pervades society in its aspects. Perpetually” MICHAEL CRICHTON – STATE OF FEAR – PAGE 500