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To: Road Walker who wrote (394111)	6/25/2008 1:43:54 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579359

Some of these wackos hate government in every way shape or form. Guilty as charged. Our system of government is the best in existence right now, but that doesn't mean we don't need to strive to improve it. Because if we allow it to continue unchecked, with the mess SS, Medicare, and other programs are, it will clearly continue to get worse until we are no longer better than the others.

To: Road Walker who wrote (394111)	6/25/2008 2:45:40 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579359

JF, > Those earning $2M a year have the most to lose from an unstable society. Who said society will become unstable without Social Security and Medicare? Seems like society will be a lot better off if citizens can take care of their own health care and retirement, rather than rely on the government for these services. Those programs are in place partly because no matter what, we'll always have people who can't take care of themselves. It's only humanitarian to help them out, and the burden on society won't be that heavy. The problem is when they turn into entitlements and reward laziness and irresponsibility. That's when you have the beginning of big government becoming the problem rather than the solution. > Some of these wackos hate government in every way shape or form. I've talked to several libertarians, and none of them fit that characterization. There's a big difference between minimalist government and no government. Your statement makes about as much sense as criticizing those who are into minimalist fashion. "Some of these wackos hate fashion in every way shape or form." Tenchusatsu

To: Road Walker who wrote (394111)	6/25/2008 5:53:14 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1579359

Those earning $2M a year have the most to lose from an unstable society. The rich hire guards, build walls with broken glass and barbed wire on the top. The rich do fine in third world countries. Its the poor who are victimized more by street crime etc. ---------------------------------------------------- Your problem is you're defining everyone who doesn't like big govt as an unpatriotic anarchist. Most conservatives would be happy just halting the continuing growth in government. We have big entitlement programs (SS, Medicare, Medicaid) now which are gonna hurt us bad economically over the next generation - simply for demographic reasons. Programs that began with taxpayer/beneficiary ratios of 8:1 are gonna be major burdens when the ratios get to be 2:1. Yet liberals want new big entitlements - universal health care to include 12M illegal aliens (according to Obama), universal day care (remember Hillary's Christmas ads?). We need to shut down all ideas of new entitlements and then we can start reforming the ones we have.