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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (32304)6/28/2008 12:23:31 PM
From: Geoff Altman  Respond to of 224748
 
Obama will ridicule the charge that he is not native born and McCain's campaign will suffer for it.

Obama could diffuse this situation quite simply, all he has to do is produce an official birth certificate, which btw he's going to have to do sooner or later.

Has McCain been speaking on this issue? NO On the contrary he's been doing everything he can to reign in the 527s. Can you say the same things of Obama, who btw has many many more ACTIVE 527s than McCain, which, thanks to the liberal progressives best friend and champion....the well known socialist (and probably a closet communist) George Soros have no shortage of funds. When are you going to figure out that Soros is throwing his billions behind the most radical of the democratic party because he knows that's the fastest way of making the US a carbon copy of socialistic european countries.

Oh wait, I forgot, you probably want precisely the same thing for America.........the sooner we're all completely dependent on the gov't in every aspect of our lives no doubt the better you'd like it......



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (32304)6/28/2008 12:27:35 PM
From: MJ  Respond to of 224748
 
Kenneth

This is Obama's problem----no one elses. Obama needs to clean it up.

As I understand, this question came about because of KOS, that supports Obama, posting a photobucket/photoshopped photo of a supposed birth certificate for Obama.

The internet is a powerful communications tool; however, when the internet fuels lies as in the case of photoshopped false documents and pictures it is a very dangerous tool.

The certificate as posted is according to the Hawaii officials not a legal copy or even a copy of the original.

Who is Obama going to ridicule------KOS?

jmho - mj



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (32304)6/28/2008 12:33:02 PM
From: Ann Corrigan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224748
 
Ken, do you agree that Obama, as a presidential candidate, must provide undeniable proof that he indeed was born in the USA--as prescribed by the US Constitution?



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (32304)6/28/2008 1:21:47 PM
From: Ann Corrigan  Respond to of 224748
 
Obama will Lose to McCain's Change:

Posted June 28, 2008
By Paul West, theswamp.com

Big, summertime leads in presidential contests can vanish. Comparisons are already being drawn with 1988 Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis, who looked like a mortal lock after he bounced, in late July, to a 17-point advantage over George H. W. Bush.

Obama could lose, too, if he can't make a convincing case to millions of undecided voters who regard him as a stranger, despite the fact that his name and face are recognized around the world.

His campaign manager seems to say as much, describing this summer as a rerun of 2007, when Obama was introducing himself to activists for the first time.

"In many ways, it feels like, let's say, last July or August in Iowa for us," says David Plouffe. "You look at these voters who are going to decide the election in these battleground states, and they know very little about him."

Obama has been aptly described as elusive. And while a candidate may want to fuzz his image--to gain the widest possible appeal and keep from alienating potential supporters--it is the news media's responsibility to sharpen the picture.

There are more than four months left to finish that job. But voters are complaining that they aren't getting the information they need and that too much time is being spent on trivia.

That criticism is hard to dispute. Many news organizations picked up the revelation, from a Rolling Stone interview, that Obama has about 30 Bob Dylan songs on his iPod, including the entire "Blood on the Tracks" album. His wife's clothing and hairstyle have been dissected at length.

Far less attention has been paid to the lack of new thinking behind his candidacy, which closely tracks liberal Democratic orthodoxy.

Gary Hart, the "new ideas" presidential candidate of the 1980s, recently wrote that Obama, as president, "would have a rare opportunity to define a new Democratic Party." He can either focus on winning the election "to the exclusion of all else" or "use his campaign as a platform for designing a new political cycle and achieve a mandate for starting it."

His advisers say Obama plans to deliver a series of policy speeches over the next few months. But whether he articulates a broad new agenda may depend on how confident he is that he will win.

Plouffe, a cool-headed operator who helped engineer Obama's nomination victory, says he doesn't put much stock in national polls, since a presidential election is a state-by-state battle. Laying out the public version of his campaign's strategy for a room full of reporters, he zeroed in on the most important target for both Obama and McCain.

"The people in the middle--in some cases we're only talking about six to ten percent of the people in a state--they will decide the election," Plouffe says. "Some of these voters just haven't been consuming the political news . . . So we think we have some very, very important foundational work to do" in spreading Obama's message.

He plans to redeploy a massive volunteer force, built during the primaries, on a door-to-door persuasion effort organized down to the precinct level.

That personal voter contact, he adds, is "even more important for a candidate like Barack Obama, who people don't have a decades-long relationship with. They're still thirsting for information. They may need reassurance."

In Pennsylvania, one of the most important battleground states, Obama's team might want to knock on the door of Janell Mader, 32, who left her teaching job to raise her young daughter in York. Like millions of Republicans, she's come unmoored from her party and is up for grabs this year.

"For most of my life, my decisions have been made based on morals and family values and that whole belief system that I've had instilled in me since birth," she says. "And now, all of a sudden, our country is turned upside down by all these economic issues that I haven't encountered in my lifetime."

She's considering Obama but wants more information about what he'll do to improve the living standard of families earning less than $100,000 a year.

"I just know 'vote for change.' I don't know what change," she says. "I know there has been a lot of media coverage, but I'm still waiting for the meat of it."

Mader was among a group of a dozen voters, none of whom voted for either Obama or McCain in the primary, which met in York for a two-hour discussion sponsored by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center. Their comments ran the gamut, including doubts about Obama's patriotism and whether his election would lead other nations to test the inexperienced president's mettle.

Kimberly Aldinger, 45, of Seven Valleys, a dialysis technician who voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary, is open to Obama but "until I see what he wants to change and how he's going to change it, I am totally undecided."

Sheryl Randol, 51, a single mother of three who works for a pharmaceutical company, wants to see the Iraq war ended but doesn't know enough about either candidate.

Obama "has to show me that he's got the intelligence and the people around him to make a difference globally," she says. "I want to see concrete plans, not just spin."

Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who moderated the discussion, says Obama needs to put "meat on the bones" for undecided voters like these-- not only about who he is but "what he will do and what he stands for." Voters, he adds, have "figured out that they want change. Do they want the Obama change or do they want the McCain change?"

"We look at polls and we look at numbers and we think we've seen the end of this election," he says. But when voters talk, "you really get a sense of just how far from the finish line we are."



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (32304)6/29/2008 1:28:34 AM
From: puborectalis  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 224748
 
Report: U.S. escalating covert operations against Iran

By Reuters

Tags: U.S., congress, Iran

U.S. congressional leaders agreed late last year to President George W. Bush's funding request for a major escalation of covert operations against Iran aimed at destabilizing its leadership, according to a report in The New Yorker magazine published online on Sunday.

The article by reporter Seymour Hersh, from the magazine's July 7 and 14 issue, centers around a highly classified Presidential Finding signed by Bush which by U.S. law must be made known to Democratic and Republican House and Senate leaders and ranking members of the intelligence committees.

"The Finding was focused on undermining Iran's nuclear ambitions and trying to undermine the government through regime change," the article cited a person familiar with its contents as saying, andinvolved "working with opposition groups and passing money."
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Hersh has written previously about possible administration plans to go to war to stop Tehran from obtaining nuclear weapons, including an April 2006 article in the New Yorker that suggested regime change in Iran, whether by diplomatic or military means, was Bush's ultimate goal.

Funding for the covert escalation, for which Bush requested up to $400 million, was approved by congressional leaders, according to the article, citing current and former military, intelligence and congressional sources.

Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. U.S. Special Operations Forces have been conducting crossborder operations from southern Iraq since last year, the article said.

These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of "high-value targets" in Bush's war on terrorism, who may be captured or killed, according to the article.

But the scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which include the Central Intelligence Agency, have now been significantly expanded, the article said, citing current and former officials.

Many of these activities are not specified in the new finding, and some congressional leaders have had serious questions about their nature, it said.

Among groups inside Iran benefiting from U.S. support is the Jundallah, also known as the Iranian People's Resistance Movement, according to former CIA officer Robert Baer. Council on Foreign Relations analyst Vali Nasr described it to Hersh as a vicious organization suspected of links to Al-Qieda.

The article said U.S. support for the dissident groups could prompt a violent crackdown by Iran, which could give the Bush administration a reason to intervene.

None of the Democratic leaders in Congress would comment on the finding, the article said. The White House, which has repeatedly denied preparing for military action against Iran, and the CIA also declined comment.

The United States is leading international efforts to rein in Iran's suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, although Washington concedes Iran has the right to develop nuclear power for civilian uses.

Iran: If Israel attacks us, we'll respond with missiles

Meanwhile, the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards warned that if his country is attacked, Tehran would strike back by barraging Israel with missiles and controlling a key oil passageway in the Persian Gulf, according to a state newspaper report published on Saturday.

The report in the conservative Jam-e-Jam comes after the disclosure of a recent Israeli military exercise over the Mediterranean Sea that was seen as sending a message to Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions.

Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari told the Iranian paper that there were strong deterrents against striking Iran including the country's missile power, the vulnerability of Israeli and U.S. forces in the region and the low probability of a successful attack.

Iran has spread its nuclear facilities over various parts of the large country and has built key portions underground to protect if from possible Israeli or American airstrikes.

But Jafari warned that if attacked, Iran would strike back, including choking off the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow outlet for oil tankers leaving the Persian Gulf.

"Naturally, any country coming under attack will use all of its capacity and opportunities to confront the enemy. Given the main route for energy to exit the region, one of Iran's steps will definitely be to exercise control on the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz," Jafari told Jam-e-Jam, which is affiliated with Iran's state-run radio and television network.

In 2006, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, also threatened to disrupt the world's oil supply if the United States attacked Iran. Iran is the world's fourth largest oil producer, and about 60 percent of the world's oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz.

"Should a confrontation erupt between us and the enemy, the scope will definitely reach the oil issue. ... Oil prices will dramatically increase. This is one of the factors deterring the enemy from taking military action against the Islamic Republic of Iran," Jafari was quoted as saying.