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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: puborectalis who wrote (32444)	6/29/2008 11:59:08 PM
From: Geoff Altman	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224728

I guess you're satisfied with the last 8 years in America....i'm not. You guess wrong. You think just because we can spot a snake oil salesman when we see one that we're happy with the status quo? WRONG AGAIN. Let's test your guess, I'm not sure just how many people read this thread but: ATTENTION THREAD, ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI-OBAMA BUT ALSO ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE STATUS QUO OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND LEADERS PLEASE GIVE THIS POST A RECOMMENDATION.

To: puborectalis who wrote (32444)	6/30/2008 10:12:47 AM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 224728

Repubs would gladly vote for Obama if he would simply change his incorrect stances and instead support: less government instead of more/more freedom instead of less/stronger national defense instead of weaker/more educational competition instead of the status quo and more commerce instead of less.

To: puborectalis who wrote (32444)	6/30/2008 11:33:48 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 224728

Fleeing liberalism "The earth's landscape is now littered with former Obama commitments, and his embrace of the conservative court's views on the child rape and Second Amendment cases this [past] week is head-snapping. Obama sounds like the president of the Federalist Society," Peter Wehner writes in a blog at www.commentarymagazine.com. "Barack Obama may be the best political embodiment of Woody Allen's character Leonard Zelig we have seen. The complete ease with which Obama shifts positions, with only the slightest bit of media scrutiny, is quite amazing. And the original conceit of the Obama campaign, which is that he is above the 'old politics,' won't play the 'Washington game' and is a one-man antidote to cynicism, should now evoke a belly laugh," Mr. Wehner said. "There is, though, a larger lesson to draw from what is unfolding. Obama, in order to win the presidency, is fleeing liberalism as fast as his feet will carry him. McCain, on the other hand, proudly presents himself as a 'Ronald Reagan conservative.' That is the best testimony there is to the fact that America remains a center-right, and certainly not a liberal, nation. It is also an important reminder that the Republican Party and the conservative movement are separate, with the former in considerably worse shape than the latter. "The ways in which America is more and less conservative than it once was is an interesting matter to explore. But it's safe to say, I think, that if the presidential race is framed as Barack Obama, Democrat v. John McCain, Republican, Obama will win. If on the other hand the race is framed as Barack Obama, liberal v. John McCain, conservative, McCain will win."

To: puborectalis who wrote (32444)	6/30/2008 7:58:51 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 224728

McCain, Supporters Return Fire - Wesley Clark and Obama Campaign By John M. Broder, The Caucus-nytimes.com June 30, 2008 Harrisburg, PA - Senator John McCain, at a news conference at a turbine manufacturing plant here, responded to the remark from Gen. Wesley Clark on Sunday that being shot down over Vietnam was not a qualification to be president. “I think that that kind of thing is unnecessary,” Mr. McCain said. “I’m proud of my record of service, and I have plenty of friends and leaders who will attest to that. “If that’s the kind of campaign Senator Obama and his surrogates and supporters want to engage in, I understand that,” he added. “But it doesn’t reduce the price of gas by one penny. It doesn’t achieve our energy independence or make it come any closer. Doesn’t make any American stay in their home who’s at risk of losing it today. And it certainly doesn’t do anything to address the challenges Americans have in keeping their jobs, homes and supporting their families.” Asked if he wanted an apology from Mr. Obama, Mr. McCain said, “That’s certainly up to Senator Obama.” He added a moment later: “I know that General Clark’s comment is not an isolated incident. I have no way of knowing what involvement Senator Obama has in that issue.” Speaking on Monday in Missouri, Mr. Obama did not refer to Mr. Clark by name but implicitly criticized the tenor of his comments. In a conference call, a number of Mr. McCain’s former colleagues in the military and former prisoners of war in Vietnam also stood by his record and assailed General Clark and others for impugning Mr. McCain’s heroism and leadership. “I was utterly shocked when I saw this yesterday,” Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, said, “that he would in such a disrespectful way attack one of his fellow military officers.” Mr. Warner said it was “an exercise in poor judgment” for Mr. Obama to allow the attack. Colonel Bud Day, a fellow P.O.W. in Hanoi: “This backhanded slap is one of the more surprising insults in my military history. Again, I’m astounded that a person who represents a presidential candidate would be involved in this kind of political shenanigans against a man of John McCain’s character.” Retired Adm. Leighton W. “Snuffy” Smith Jr. said he was disturbed that General Clark referred to Mr. McCain as an “untested and untried” leader. “What in General Clark’s opinion qualifies someone to be tested and tried? He has years of service in Navy, in Congress and on the Senate Armed Services Committee. How much more experience does one need to be tested and tried?” “So experience has taught all of us, I hope, that just as previous campaigns to this one have occurred and there’s been a need to answer these outrageous allegations it was absolutely important to face this issue right off the bat. Because like an experienced surgeon who’s done 100 appendectomies. it’s important to know that’s the kind of guy we have. John McCain will not be doing his first appendectomy as president and we have to keep his reputation clean.”