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To: i-node who wrote (395067)6/30/2008 1:42:37 PM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573020
 
Go look at lindy bills thread in 2004. And when mccain came to kerrys defense, they attacked him with the same charges that parsons is making here.



To: i-node who wrote (395067)6/30/2008 2:04:59 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1573020
 
Post Script: And just to add insult to injury, the McCain campaign hosted a conference call this morning, and “rolled out a leading surrogate named Bud Day — who was described merely as a fellow POW of McCain — who blasted such attacks. ‘John was slandered and reviled in the 2000 campaign in a way that denigrated his service enormously…it was absolutely important to face this issue right off the bat.’ But guess what — it turns out that this very same Bud Day was featured in the Swift Boat Vets ads attacking John Kerry in 2004!”

June 30, 2008

Media mischaracterizes Clark comments, Obama backs away

Posted June 30th, 2008 at 1:48 pm


Following up on an item from this morning, the pushback from news outlets, the McCain campaign, and conservative activists against Wesley Clark has been pretty fierce today. In fact, Clark’s comments have already taken on an entirely different meaning.

Here’s how Time characterized the McCain campaign’s efforts this morning: “The presumptive GOP nominee’s campaign launches a “truth squad” Monday morning in the wake of Gen. Wesley Clark repeating his stark criticisms of McCain’s war record Sunday.” That matter-of-fact analysis has been common all day — on Fox News, Molly Henneberg asserted that Clark “seemed to attack [Sen. John] McCain’s military service.”

But that’s just it — Clark didn’t criticize McCain’s war record or military service at all. Not once. Not even a little.

If you missed it, I posted the entire video clip this morning, but Clark actually praised McCain’s war record and military service, saying, “I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war.”

What Clark actually said was that McCain has never held “executive responsibility.” McCain led a Navy squadron, but it “wasn’t a wartime squadron.” The line between McCain’s service and his presidential qualifications is incomplete: “I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president,” Clark said. The point, which is pretty obvious to anyone who saw the interview and heard the remarks in context, is that McCain’s service several decades ago is not entirely relevant to his presidential qualifications now.

I realize we’re not accustomed to hearing anyone say this, but it’s not false, it’s not a personal attack, and it’s not criticism of McCain’s war record. The media and the right are manufacturing a scandal here that doesn’t exist. They want people to believe that a high-profile Obama backer attacked McCain’s service, despite the fact that this never happened.

Given the freak-out, I guess it’s not too surprising that Obama has started to back away.

Time reported:

In a speech on patriotism in Independence, Missouri, Obama honors McCain’s “physical torment in service to our country.” Also implicitly criticizes Gen. Clark’s comment Sunday disparaging McCain’s accomplishments in Vietnam.

“No one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides. We must always express our profound gratitude for the service of our men and women in uniform. Period. Full stop.”

Shortly thereafter, Obama campaign spokesperson Bill Burton added, “As he’s said many times before, Senator Obama honors and respects Senator McCain’s service, and of course he rejects yesterday’s statement by General Clark.”

Now, it’s possible that everyone is just playing a part here. Clark takes on one of the pillars of McCain’s campaign pitch, it gets lots of attention, and Obama distances himself from the remarks, nevertheless pleased that Clark inserted the argument into the public discourse.

The problem, though, is that the Obama campaign’s response implicitly accepts the criticism offered by the media and the right — that Clark was attacking McCain’s military service, despite the fact that never actually happened.

Josh Marshall had a good item on this:

The McCain campaign’s angle here is to not to prevent attacks on the integrity of McCain’s war record (which Clark explicitly did not do) but to make it off limits for anyone to question that his war-time experience means he has the temperament and experience which make him the better qualified candidate to be president.

The McCain campaign’s claim that there’s any attack here on McCain’s war record is simply a lie — a simple attempt to fool people. This is an essential point to this entire campaign — does McCain’s military record mean that even the Democrats have to concede the point that he’s more qualified to be commander-in-chief of the US armed forces, that his foreign and national security policy judgment is superior to Obama’s? It’s simply a fact that McCain has a record of really poor judgment on a whole list of key foreign policy and national security questions.

This is one of those moments in the campaign where the nonsense from the chief DC press sachems is so palpable and overwhelming that everyone who cares about this contest needs to jump into the breach and demand that they answer why no one can question whether McCain’s war record makes him more qualified to be president and whether he has good foreign policy and national security judgment.

Four years ago, Republicans said John Kerry’s military background didn’t necessarily mean he’s right about national security, and doesn’t necessarily make him qualified to be president. Yesterday, Clark made the same argument about McCain.

The feigned, coordinated outrage here is transparent. Why the media is buying into the outrage, and exaggerating it, makes me wonder if the McCain campaign will have to report today’s coverage as an in-kind contribution.

Post Script: And just to add insult to injury, the McCain campaign hosted a conference call this morning, and “rolled out a leading surrogate named Bud Day — who was described merely as a fellow POW of McCain — who blasted such attacks. ‘John was slandered and reviled in the 2000 campaign in a way that denigrated his service enormously…it was absolutely important to face this issue right off the bat.’ But guess what — it turns out that this very same Bud Day was featured in the Swift Boat Vets ads attacking John Kerry in 2004!”



To: i-node who wrote (395067)6/30/2008 4:08:18 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573020
 
Maybe you will listen to one of your own.....well he was a neo for only a short period of time. But he is a conservative.....think of him as a third cousin. He tells it straight......that's why all your pissing and moaning about McBush seems inane considering the problems this country has to face down the road.

Anxious in America

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: June 29, 2008

Just a few months ago, the consensus view was that Barack Obama would need to choose a hard-core national-security type as his vice presidential running mate to compensate for his lack of foreign policy experience and that John McCain would need a running mate who was young and sprightly to compensate for his age. Come August, though, I predict both men will be looking for a financial wizard as their running mates to help them steer America out of what could become a serious economic tailspin.

I do not believe nation-building in Iraq is going to be the issue come November — whether things get better there or worse. If they get better, we’ll ignore Iraq more; if they get worse, the next president will be under pressure to get out quicker. I think nation-building in America is going to be the issue.

It’s the state of America now that is the most gripping source of anxiety for Americans, not Al Qaeda or Iraq. Anyone who thinks they are going to win this election playing the Iraq or the terrorism card — one way or another — is, in my view, seriously deluded. Things have changed.

Up to now, the economic crisis we’ve been in has been largely a credit crisis in the capital markets, while consumer spending has kept reasonably steady, as have manufacturing and exports. But with banks still reluctant to lend even to healthy businesses, fuel and food prices soaring and home prices declining, this is starting to affect consumers, shrinking their wallets and crimping spending. Unemployment is already creeping up and manufacturing creeping down.

The straws in the wind are hard to ignore: If you visit any car dealership in America today you will see row after row of unsold S.U.V.’s. And if you own a gas guzzler already, good luck. On Thursday, The Palm Beach Post ran an article on your S.U.V. options: “Continue to spend upward of $100 for a fill-up. Sell or trade in the vehicle for a fraction of the original cost. Or hold out and park the truck in the driveway for occasional use in hopes the market will turn around.” Just be glad you don’t own a bus. Montgomery County, Md., where I live, just announced that more children were going to have to walk to school next year to save money on bus fuel.

On top of it all, our bank crisis is not over. Two weeks ago, Goldman Sachs analysts said that U.S. banks may need another $65 billion to cover more write-downs of bad mortgage-related instruments and potential new losses if consumer loans start to buckle. Since President Bush came to office, our national savings have gone from 6 percent of gross domestic product to 1 percent, and consumer debt has climbed from $8 trillion to $14 trillion.

My fellow Americans: We are a country in debt and in decline — not terminal, not irreversible, but in decline. Our political system seems incapable of producing long-range answers to big problems or big opportunities. We are the ones who need a better-functioning democracy — more than the Iraqis and Afghans. We are the ones in need of nation-building. It is our political system that is not working.

I continue to be appalled at the gap between what is clearly going to be the next great global industry — renewable energy and clean power — and the inability of Congress and the administration to put in place the bold policies we need to ensure that America leads that industry.


“America and its political leaders, after two decades of failing to come together to solve big problems, seem to have lost faith in their ability to do so,” Wall Street Journal columnist Gerald Seib noted last week. “A political system that expects failure doesn’t try very hard to produce anything else.”

We used to try harder and do better. After Sputnik, we came together as a nation and responded with a technology, infrastructure and education surge, notes Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International. After the 1973 oil crisis, we came together and made dramatic improvements in energy efficiency. After Social Security became imperiled in the early 1980s, we came together and fixed it for that moment. “But today,” added Hormats, “the political system seems incapable of producing a critical mass to support any kind of serious long-term reform.”

If the old saying — that “as General Motors goes, so goes America” — is true, then folks, we’re in a lot of trouble. General Motors’s stock-market value now stands at just $6.47 billion, compared with Toyota’s $162.6 billion. On top of it, G.M. shares sank to a 34-year low last week.

That’s us. We’re at a 34-year low. And digging out of this hole is what the next election has to be about and is going to be about — even if it is interrupted by a terrorist attack or an outbreak of war or peace in Iraq. We need nation-building at home, and we cannot wait another year to get started. Vote for the candidate who you think will do that best. Nothing else matters.


nytimes.com