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To: Triffin who wrote (256556)	7/2/2008 9:06:27 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793916

Yea? Well when do we get some? Be cheaper just to buy it. We're currently trying the 3rd option ..

To: Triffin who wrote (256556)	7/2/2008 3:45:14 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793916

2/3 of our daily consumption of crude/products is imported from somebody ~13.5 mbpd .. How are you going to fix/change that ?? We can't "drill" our way out .. That's closer to half our daily consumption, not 2/3. If we brought 4 or 5 million bpd online, which we absolutely could do with existing technologies, not the sci fi Obama prefers, it would make a big difference to our local market and the world market. We can drill our way out. We can drill AND conserve AND develop alternate fuels (that make sense, not corn to ethanol) and put the world market back into surplus.It's not full energy independence or it's useless. Stop this strawman argument.

To: Triffin who wrote (256556)	7/3/2008 6:28:02 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 793916

Triff, the only war to steal oil I can think of, which seems to have been lost by Scratcher, Archer, Mann and co, was in Equatorial Guinea guardian.co.uk It would be a good idea for Britain to conquer Equatorial Guinea and make it a protectorate. Or, the USA could do so. I'd be in favour of either action. It is a country of conquest, where the most murderous person wins, so there should be no moral qualm about anyone taking over. Same as Iraq. The wars against and conquest of Iraq were not to get the oil. If anything, it was the opposite. As you might have noticed, having Iraq's oil off the market has been a very good thing for profits of BP, Exxon, Shell, nuclear reactor industry, coal producers, gas producers, Russia, and a lot of other interests, which just happen to include King George II's oil buddies, Halliburton, Carlyle et al. <The only solutions I see .. 1) conservation/efficiency gains 2) fuel switching ( ie electric transport ) 3) resource wars to secure/steal supply .. We're currently trying the 3rd option .. > In fact, 1] is the big one. But for a couple of decades I have liked the idea of nuclear energy, photovoltaics, cellulose and bituminous goop as energy sources for power stations which will recharge vehicle batteries, or even drive them directly, either by electrical contacts or inductive charging and propulsion. 1] works really fast [park the car, walk, replace SUV with bicycle or micro car]. 2] takes longer but is a good idea, Wars to steal oil would be reasonable where the current owners of said oil have sworn to destroy infidels, as part of their ideology. If somebody swears to kill or subjugate you, just for reasons of conquest and megalomania, it's perfectly reasonable to ensure they don't, by any means necessary, some of which are grotesquely icky. Rumour has it that Islam has got infidels in the cross hairs and fully intends to do what they say they will do, when they get half a chance. They should not be surprised when said infidels resist arrest, incarceration, subjugation and death. Mqurice