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To: Amark$p who wrote (121790)7/4/2008 7:20:08 PM
From: Step1  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 313059
 
Translation


I'll give it my best shot...

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En la reunión con periodistas estuvo el Diputado Jesús Armando Muñoz Ponce quien mostró su apoyo al grupo de ejidatarios de Huizopa, quienes solicitaron les permitiera hacer publica su postura respecto a la problemática que se está viviendo en dicho ejido perteneciente a este municipio de Madera, el Legislador priísta Jesús Armando Muñoz Ponce, presidió la rueda de prensa para que los mismos ejidatarios informaran a los medios de comunicación sus inconformidades con respecto al plantón realizado por otro grupo de ejidatarios.

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You do realize this is one sentence...
In the meeting with the media was present the Deputy Jesus Armando Munoz Ponce, who showed his support for the group of ejidatarios members from Huizopa, who (the group members) are asking that their viewpoint with respect to the problems presently encountered within the said ejido belong to the municipality of Madera, (extremely long winded sentence here but bear with me) The Deputy Jesus Armando Munoz Ponce, presided over a press conference for the ejidatarios and the opposite views that they hold regarding what another group of ejitadarios call non-respect of the plan.

Ok more simply put: Mr Munoz Ponce, a PRI deputy was at a press conference or a meeting and showed his support in making voices from a group of ejido members heard in opposing another group from the ejido where the mine is located. This other group (protest group) is saying Minas Dolores has not respected their development plan.



Los ejidatarios manifestaron públicamente estar en desacuerdo con la actitud tomada por un grupo minoritario de compañeros del mismo ejido, quienes están involucrando a personas ajenas al mismo, siendo éstos gente de otros estados, entre ellas a lideres de las ONG’s.

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The ejidatarios manifested publicly their disagreement with the position taken by a minority group of the same ejido (protest group), of which some people are outsiders, people outside the state, among others leaders of NGOs.



Respecto a esto se informó que el plantón que fue colocado en el Mineral de Dolores (Ejido Hizopa), perjudico a varias familias, pues se colocaron pancartas amenazantes que han provocado el paro laboral de la Compañía Minera y de las empresas contratadas por la misma, logrando así el desempleo de cientos de personas.

The protests by this minority group (blockade and threatening sign boards) against Mineral de Dolores have caused prejudice to many families, which have resulted in a work stoppage at the mining company, as well as at its contractors with hundreds of people being thrown out of work.


Textualmente explican “nosotros solo queremos trabajar, tenemos familias que mantener y esto nos esta perjudicando no sólo a los ejidatarios que si queremos trabajar, sino a la gente de la región que ha encontrado aquí un ingreso digno para el sustento de sus familias” informo el ejidatario Sergio Romero, quien también expresó que el grupo de ejidatarios que representa no tiene ninguna inconformidad con la compañía minera, pues dicen que ésta ha cumplido con las cláusulas del contrato.

In a text, they explain: "We just want to work, we have families to support and these actions are detrimental not only to us, ejidatarios who only want to work, but also for people of the area who have found an honest undertaking to provide for their families" said the ejidatario Sergio Romero, who also expressed that the group of ejitadario he represents has found absolutely no infractions (no non-conformity) on the mining company's part. In fact, he continues, the company has complied with all the clauses of its contract.

I will just summarize the end of the article:
Mr Munoz Ponce says that after conferring with officials from the Forestry Development Dept. , the same conclusions were arrived at. He stresses that it is important to create a climate to secure jobs for the area and not chase them away, also pointing out that 30 million dollars have already been invested. He concludes with a reference to a commission of deputies that visited the houses built by the mining company and says that they were found to be completely satisfactory with respect to the provision of light, water and drainage (which i assume to be sewer system etc...) which the residents do not even have to pay anything for.

( which again, not knowing the agreement, i am assuming they are referring to the fact there are no light, water or sewage charges...??) The article ends with the mention : "the company, among many other things, provide for light, water and sewage at no charge to the residents" ( i think that the reference to "among many other things" is also very deliberate in the article, and shows that these guys are getting a good deal, anyway just my personal note in here.)

Hope that helps,

step1


Por su parte el legislador Muñoz Ponce dijo que la Comisión de Desarrollo Forestal, misma que encabeza, realizó cuatro foros en el área forestal iniciando los mismos en el municipio de Madera, en cual la solicitud que encabezó al resto fue la generación de empleos, “ es por eso que yo llamo a la reflexión, hay que apostarle a la generación de empleos y no a la deserción de los mismos”.



Finalmente comentó que una comisión de diputados de las diferentes fracciones parlamentarias, visitaron en días pasados la comunidad en conflicto para ver las condiciones en las que están laborando, “ nos dimos cuenta que la Compañía Minera ha invertido 30 millones para beneficio de la región y que la casas en las que viven los pobladores, así como los servicios necesarios están en perfectas condiciones. Cuentan con agua, luz y drenaje que no tienen que pagar, pues la compañía cubre esos gastos, entre muchos otros”.



To: Amark$p who wrote (121790)7/6/2008 7:19:19 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 313059
 
That's the general gist of it, these two pieces though are mostly making the point that a majority of ejidatarios support the mine and expect to work there, only a minority is holding out for more, and they've been involving outsiders, including 'leaders of NGOs', the diputado Muñoz Ponce has been in the area helping the majority express their position ... here is the article from friday - vozenred.com

'en rueda de prenda' - typo, should be de prensa, 'press conference' ... Dolor = 'pain', dolores = 'pains' ... Madera = 'Wood', that program translates even the names of mine and municipio, as in Ecuador where Correa = 'strap', lol

Btw, ejido is the name of the organisation, each member is called an ejidatario, each is the head of an household, has the right and duty to attend asamblea and vote

Sounds to me like two or more individuals elected to the comisariado last year decided to re-negotiate this signed and sealed deal ... it would be interesting to hear exactly what positions each member of the comisariado is taking, and where stand members of the consejo de vigilancia ... although it would NOT be cool to publish much of this on the net, especially no names, because those 'outsiders' mentioned above are likely highly literate little dickhead urban faux-marxist googlers, if you hand them any opportunity to paint you as the great evil foreigner they will do so instantly, and invasion of privacy is an intensely serious thing in this culture, will be construed as direct physical threat

The Ley Agraria is quite clear that the job of the comisariado is to execute decisions voted on in asamblea, so if it is true that the majority is in favour of the mine, then it is a matter of bringing it to a vote, the consejo de vigilancia has the right to do this, they could frame it in the form of censure of the presidente de comisariado for blocking employment, if as a group enough wanted to get it over and done with [which is seldom the case, fwiw, often these things drag on and on because nobody wants to offend one or two strong personalities, whether through fear or family connections or just habit ... 'Local politics can be the dirtiest and most baffling', this is as true in México as in BC] ... but comisariados have been removed for ignoring the will of asamblea, consejos exist to watch for that very thing, among others ... if two or more of the three consejo members are with the dissidents, plus a majority of the comisariado [three to perhaps seven members total], then don't hold your breath on making a mine ... from all i've read so far [which is not much really], this is unlikely to be the case, it looks like a small group with ambitions of extortion has brought in outsiders to ballyhoo their cause, no big deal unless the company screws up by trying to push the river - let locals sort it out, they're doing fine, got this priísta chap on the case already

If a significant majority want the mine then it will go ahead, simple as that, and i would expect the majority will want that ... one concern is that the new houses [from a previous article] do not have milpas near them, this is a change of culture, quite radical, means people cannot grow their own food, which would be fine for those who don't want to, and who make enough at the mine to buy food, still an ejido is by nature formed of people rooted in self-sufficiency, close to the land, it would go better for the company if that basic need for one's own land was respected, whether currently in the deal or not, it's just common sense ... also after the mine - i don't know what's in the agreement regarding reclamation, but the only sensible way for the company is to guarantee a greater quantity of higher quality agricultural land than there was before they arrived on the scene ... doesn't take that much, set aside such topsoil as possible, spread it later after reasonable levelling and smoothing, do some soil amendment if applicable, terracing maybe, surveying/fencing/roadwork even, not a big dollar in relation to value extracted