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To: Brumar89 who wrote (576)	7/6/2008 7:35:01 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86355

Btw, if you think we can go from 25% (actually a little under that) to 3% of world consumption w/o a massive drop in the US standard of living anytime w/i the next few decades, you're nuts. If we could quickly double our gasoline consumption in our vehicle fleet (which we can't because of how long vehicles stay on the road) we still wouldn't be at 3% of world consumption. The facts support John, not you. As you can see below. the bulk of the oil we purchase is used by individual drivers like you and me. If 21 mbpd is 25% of the market, then 84 mbpd is 100%. If we doubled the US fleet mpg, then we'd put 7 mbpd of oil back on the market. That's 8.75% of the world's market, which would have a very large impact on prices indeed. Nearly 70 percent of the 21 million barrels of oil the United States consumes every day goes for transportation, with the bulk of that burned by individual drivers, according to the National Commission on Energy Policy, a bipartisan research group that advises Congress. nytimes.com Now your idea is to do more drilling. Well, ANWR would give us 1-2 mbpd and drilling offshore would give us another 1-2 mbpd. Combined that's 2-4 mbpd more oil, which equates to 2-5% of the world's market. That's less than if we focused on increasing the gas mileage of American cars. Is it hard to do? Not really, considering that Europe average 44 mpg for their fleet of cars, versus our 25 mpg average. Let's face it. The US has simply not planned for the diversification of our energy supplies and we're now paying the price. Continuing to remain dependent on oil as our only major energy source is absolute folly. Any company in the world will tell you how important diversification is to long term economic health. That applies to oil as well.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (576)	7/7/2008 6:57:31 AM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86355

You're wrong to advocate purposefully foregoing domestic production in the cause of conservation. Since I'm not (for the 20th time) then I'm not "wrong". Discuss what I say not what YOU want to argue with. But it ain't going to amount to ANY significant change in the core problem. Btw, if you think we can go from 25% (actually a little under that) to 3% of world consumption w/o a massive drop in the US standard of living anytime w/i the next few decades, you're nuts. What's magical about 3%??? A drop to, say 12%, about a 50% efficiency gain in 10 years, would make a whole lot of difference.