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To: stockman_scott who wrote (77985)7/12/2008 3:22:15 PM
From: Crimson Ghost  Respond to of 89467
 
Israel Ups The Ante For US Sitting-Duck Troops In Iraq

posted by Helena Cobban
I have long argued-- most recently here-- that if an act of war is launched against Iran by the US or by Israel, then one of the most obvious ways for Iran to engage in the war that ensues would be to attack, or surround and cut off, the US troops distributed broadly throughout Iraq, very close to Iran's borders and at the end of agonizingly long and vulnerable supply lines.

My argument has always been that if Iran suffers any aerial (or naval) attack-- even if only Israeli forces participate in it directly-- then it could easily demonstrate that that attack could not have been launched without the active and premeditated collusion of the US, whose military dominates all the airspace around Iran, especially from the east, as well as the waters of the Gulf.

That would make the US's forces in the region legitimate targets for an Iranian counter-attack.

And now, Israel's Y-net website tells us, quoting unnamed "sources in the Iraqi Defense Ministry", that,
Israeli fighter jets have been flying over Iraqi territory for over a month in preparation for potential strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities, sources in the Iraqi Defense Ministry told a local news network Friday, adding that the aircraft have been landing in American bases following the overflights.
The original reports of Iraqi defense officials reporting seeing Israeli military aircraft using US bases in Iraq seem to have come from the Iraqi news agency Nahrainnet. (That was also what AFP reported.) They have also been carried by the website of Iran's international Press TV station.
But it is interesting that Israel's Y-net carried the report-- even if attributed to those non-Israeli sources. The Israeli media is, like the old Soviet media, subject to heavy censorship on all military matters. But as in the old Soviet Union, when the Israeli military censors kind of want to "get the news out" about one of their own military developments, they allow a news medium to run the item-- but with attribution to foreign sources.

Update 4:20 p.m.: After I wrote the main post here, Y-net updated their article, on the same URL, to feature an IDF denial that they had been doing any "training" activities in Iraq. I note this is not a categoric denial that they've been doing anything else, such as reconnaissance or prepositioning of materiel.)

The fact that Y-net carried the report, even with-- at first-- no confirmation or denial from their military sources close to home, indicates strongly to me that it's true. Also, that the Israeli defense authorities want us to know that it's true. Otherwise, wouldn't they simply have squashed or denied the whole report from the get-go?

So that's even more interesting. It means they want the US to know that, at one level, they have us over a barrel. Our 157,000 troops spread widely throughout Iraq are not only hostages to any Israeli military adventurism, but those of them running the air-bases where the Israeli jets have been reported as landing have, in addition, been forced to support Israeli acts that greatly increase the risk to themselves and their G.I. buddies.

Where is the national leader in Washington who can put his foot down, who can tell our Israeli blackmailers that they can no longer play around in this extremely risky way with the security of our men and women in uniform in Iraq and throughout the Gulf; tell them that their military and special-force provocateurs are no longer welcome in the US-controlled battlespace of Iraq; and thereby restore the integrity of US national defense planning?

I will quickly add a few more thoughts.
1. All the war games that US military planners have done to game out the sequelae of a US (or Israeli) act of war against Iran have shown that they are truly devastating for the US.
2. Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki stated on July 2 that Iran does not, actually, fear an Israeli attack. That is consonant with the results of the war-gaming indicated above.

3. There is at least some possibility that this current piece of Israeli muscle-flexing-- like Iran's own recent, widely publicized, missile tests-- is an intentional precursor to Iran and the P5+1 sitting down to start the serious, de-escalatory negotiations that imho sorely need to happen. (Glenn Kessler posited this explanation, regarding the Iranians, in today's WaPo, I see.) But Israel's muscle-flexing is of a notably different order than Iran's-- not least because Israel is not, actually, a potential participant in the Iran-P5+1 negotiations. For that reason, Israel remains in the role of a potentially very dangerous 'rogue' actor-- and it might even have an incentive to prevent or spoil those negotiations. The fact that PM Olmert is in such deep political trouble at home, and that the country's whole political system is in such a shaky situation, means that Olmert's decisionmaking may indeed be reckless and risk-embracing.

4. We need to think much more about what "message" Olmert and his national-defense people are trying to convey to the Americans with this risk-taking behavior regarding Iran. This is true even if (or perhaps, all the more so if) Olmert has many enablers and supporters dug well in at high levels of the US national-security machine.
Finally, we should remember that it has all along been Pres. George W. Bush who has pushed to place scores of thousands of US servicemen and -women into the position of sitting ducks for Iranian retaliation, in Iraq. In December 2006 the bipartisan group headed by Baker and Hamilton recommended strongly that the US should withdraw a sizeable portion of its troops from Iraq and concentrate the remainder into a small number of more easily defended (and supplied) bases. But Bush's response to that was to pump large numbers of additional sitting ducks into the potential duck-abbatoir, and to spread them out thinly into many distant parts of the country under the logic of his so-called "surge."
It is time to end the madness, end the Israeli blackmail, end or substantially reduce the tensions with Iran (which could still flare out of control any day), and end the very vulnerable and counter-productive US troop deployment in Iraq.

We have a pretty good idea how to do all these things. But please God get on with it. This reminder from Y-net about the presence and muscle-flexing propensities of the Israeli wild card makes the whole task of de-escalation much more urgent.



To: stockman_scott who wrote (77985)7/12/2008 7:43:02 PM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
I'm kind of expecting Edwards or Biden too. Hagel outside chance if he wants to do something truly surprising.



To: stockman_scott who wrote (77985)7/15/2008 10:18:50 AM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 89467
 
Shift on war hits Obama's liberal base
'Flip-flopping' message convincing, polls show
Joseph Curl (Contact)
Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Associated Press

Sen. Barack Obama speaks at the NAACP convention in Cincinnati Monday.

Sen. John McCain on Monday accused his Democratic presidential rival of flip-flopping on the war in Iraq, as a pair of new polls showed the Republican's strategy of painting Sen. Barack Obama as politically expedient is beginning to take hold with voters.

As Mr. Obama repositions himself for the general election after exclusively targeting the Democratic base of committed liberals, it leaves some voters on the left feeling he is abandoning them on their top issue - Iraq - and has independents questioning his veracity.

"If a perception takes hold that a candidate is flip-flopping on core convictions, that will hurt," pollster Scott Rasmussen said, noting that nearly a third of voters are "up for grabs" this fall.

A Fox 5/The Washington Times/Rasmussen Reports poll shows 19 percent of voters classified as "other" - neither Republican nor Democrat - think that on the Iraq war, Mr. Obama is "abandoning voters that got him nominated." (Eleven percent of Democrats agree.) About 20 percent of independents think Mr. Obama is "not really going to change his opinion" on a U.S. withdrawal within 16 months of taking office, a pledge he has made repeatedly.

A Newsweek poll found similar dissatisfaction among voters over Mr. Obama's shifts in policy positions. In the survey, 53 percent of voters said he recalibrated his stances on key issues such as the war and President Bush's new electronic surveillance law in order to gain political advantage.

Although the issue of Iraq had faded - replaced by skyrocketing gas prices and a weakened economy - Mr. Obama returned the spotlight to the war, now in its sixth year. He penned an op-ed for the New York Times on Monday, announced he will make a "major foreign policy address" on Iraq on Tuesday and accepted a challenge from Mr. McCain to visit Iraq, a trip he will take next month.

Whether the first-term senator from Illinois has changed his stance on the issue depends on nuanced rhetoric by the Democrat and a nonstop dialogue between the two campaigns. The McCain camp on Monday released about a dozen e-mails cataloging what it called "myth vs. fact" about its opponent's Iraq stance, and Mr. Obama's team followed with rapid-response rebuttals.

The Democrat has called for a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops by June 2010. His Web site says: "Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

But earlier this month, the candidate said he will "continue to refine my policies" on Iraq, and last month he said U.S. withdrawal will be predicated on ground conditions. "If ... you've got a deteriorating situation for some reason, then that's going to have to be taken into account."

Mr. Obama also shifted his stance on the "surge" - President Bush's decision to send about 20,000 additional combat troops into Iraq at the height of rising violence last year, a move even some top Democrats acknowledge has succeeded.

In his Times op-ed, Mr. Obama wrote that with the surge, "new tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda - greatly weakening its effectiveness." But the senator voted against the surge, and on the day it was announced he predicted it would fail.

"The major point here is that Senator Obama refuses to acknowledge that he was wrong," Mr. McCain said Monday. "He said that the surge couldn't succeed. He said he opposed the increase in troops. The surge has succeeded."

The Obama campaign denied that he had flip-flopped on Iraq.

"The McCain campaign again repeated the same false attacks about Senator Obama's position on Iraq, which independent observers have repeatedly corrected them on," Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan said. "It's clear that John McCain would rather offer thoroughly debunked, negative attacks in an effort to distract from his unwavering support of George Bush's ill-conceived strategy, than offer a real plan to end the war in Iraq, redeploy our troops safely and responsibly, and refocus our efforts on finishing the job in Afghanistan."

McCain surrogates also criticized the Democrat.

"I was astonished when I read the op-ed piece," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican. "It is just an unbelievably brazen effort by a politician to rewrite history. ... Senator Obama completely misunderstood what needed to be done, early on, and continues to misunderstand the importance of winning in Iraq."

Said Mr. McCain's foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann: "Senator Obama's confusion on Iraq continues and the contradictions within his own op-ed in the New York Times today make it clear that the American people should remain puzzled about what his position actually is.

"He's never said he wants to win in Iraq," Mr. Scheunemann said. "He said he wants to withdraw from Iraq and he said that if he's president he will order his commanders to withdraw," which the adviser said would result in his giving generals orders to "lose a war they are on the way to winning."

In his op-ed, Mr. Obama also said that as president, he would send at least two more combat brigades to Afghanistan. The increase - about 7,000 troops - would follow Mr. Obama's plan to pull combat troops out of Iraq.