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To: TimF who wrote (28962)	7/13/2008 2:39:44 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

You keep trying to CONFLATE the two different phrases: "US citizen" and, "natural born US citizen". NOTE: I have never disagreed that John McCain is certainly a "US citizen", by virtue of having been the child of two US citizens. So, unless you want to argue with yourself over "US citizen" (in which case you certainly don't need me, you can just post back-and-forth to yourself) there is no need to raise "US citizen" with me. The whole crux of the biscuit is what the extra, higher, constitutional requirement of "natural born citizen" in practicality means to those who want to run for the office of the Presidency of the US.... And there, (the exact meaning of "natural born citizen" under American law) is set and defined by the tradition and the legal precedents of AMERICAN LEGAL STATUTES. (Not airy fancies about what someone imagines that the Founders 'must have been thinking', nor the British principle of allegiance to the King of England... but rather the actual American legal codes.) We are, after all, a nation of LAWS. Supposedly, the first. As I've already pointed out: American legislators believed this to be an area of some greyness, and passed a law to more exactly define it's meaning ('natural born'), and extend what it allowed further then what previous American legal tradition and practice had encompassed... but that latest law passed a year after McCain's birth, and so could not affect his legal status.