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To: eracer who wrote (254078)	7/16/2008 3:15:59 AM
From: pgerassi	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

Eracewr: You full of BS today. Fusion is mobile, but OEMs have been known to use mobiles in desktops usually in SFF setups. As for the "Roadmap", its already out of date. That roadmap had R700 class GPUs not showing up until Q2/09 for Consumer Enthusiast Platfotm Desktop. Sorry (not much) to break it to you, R700 class GPUs are already here in very early Q3/08. You know them as the HD4850 and HD4870. The rest of that class of GPUs are to show up this quarter. Given that 9 month pull in from a roadmap about 7 months old, whose to say what it shows now? Besides talk of Shrike had it also in the low end desktop/SFF form factor. You know the kind where the PC is built behind the LCD or in a narrow box along side the LCD monitor. So you will just have to set sights on what the GPU will be on during Q2/09. FYI, R670 class ran for about 9 months. In 9 months, it will be end Q1/09. Thus R800 class will start in Q2/09, just in time for Shrike. Since a IGPU two generations forward is as fast as a mid-high end card, like the RV610 (HD3450) is about as fast as a R430 (XT800), having a R810 should be as fast as a RV670 (3850). Granted some of this is the clock increase at same power due to the better process 2nd gen 45nm SOI (likely this means HiK/MG) versus 55nm bulk. R800 could be nothing more than R770 on 45nm SOI HiK/MG. I think AMD will use the extra die space on even more stream processors and texture/ROP units than R770's 800:40:16. With the extra room, I would think seeing 16 blocks or 1280:64:32 would be about right. That leaves R830 to be about 320:16:8 and R810 to be 80:4:4 at double the clock of R710 also 80:4:4 compared to 780G's 40:4:4 at 500MHz. That puts it at 4x performance of 780G. It would be about 20mm2 in die area for the R810 core. Given this is a little on the small side to replace a K10.5 stars core, it could be that R810 is 160:8:4 at double the clock. That puts it at 8x 780G, right about where the HD3850 is. Not atypical for being two generations ahead. As for 780G not being able to play games at minimum settings, look at this for COH4: firingsquad.com Even at 1280x1024, it still provides over 41 FPS versus G35s anemic 18.5. Only at 800x600 does G35 get above 30 (38) and 1024x768 is marginal at 26. 780G plays at 1024x768 for FEAR minimum while G35 can't even at 800x600. 780G plays HL2E2 at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 is marginal while G35 doesn't even try at 1280x1024 and can't get above 10 at 800x600. And even 780G can't play Lost Planet or Crysis at playable rates at 800x600. But many discrete GPUs can't either. So that is not saying much. At twice the clock, going by the overclock page, it should be able to do both LP and Crysis at 1024x768. So you think the 780G can't game. Well this reviewer thinks otherwise: firingsquad.com Its good enough for casual gamers. G35 isn't. Pete