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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (399387)	7/16/2008 7:48:40 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578294

Combelly is probably looking for someone to blame for the La Brea tar pits. There is a lake up here with radioactive pitchblende on the shore en.wikipedia.org Jail politicians who ignore climate science: Suzuki David Suzuki has called for political leaders to be thrown in jail for ignoring the science behind climate change. At a Montreal conference last Thursday, the prominent scientist, broadcaster and Order of Canada recipient exhorted a packed house of 600 to hold politicians legally accountable for what he called an intergenerational crime. Though a spokesman said yesterday the call for imprisonment was not meant to be taken literally, Dr. Suzuki reportedly made similar remarks in an address at the University of Toronto last month. The proposal has lit up many conservative blogs since it was first reported by the McGill Daily on Monday. Addressing the McGill Business Conference on Sustainability, hosted by the Faculty of Management, Dr. Suzuki's wide-ranging speech warned against favouring the economy to the detriment of the ecology -- the tarsands in Northern Alberta being his prime example. "You have lived your entire lives in a completely unsustainable period," he told students and fans. "You all think growth and [climate] change is normal. It's not." Toward the end of his speech, Dr. Suzuki said that "we can no longer tolerate what's going on in Ottawa and Edmonton" and then encouraged attendees to hold politicians to a greater green standard. "What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there's a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they're doing is a criminal act," said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. "It's an intergenerational crime in the face of all the knowledge and science from over 20 years." The statement elicited rounds of applause. "He sounded serious," said McGill Tribune news editor Vincci Tsui, who covered the event. "I think he wanted to send home the message that this is very crucial issue." When asked for further comment, Dan Maceluch, a spokesman for Dr. Suzuki, said that he did not mean the statement to be taken literally. "He's not advocating locking people up, but he is pulling his hair out." How a law concerning climate-change denial could be enforced baffled at least one leading criminal-law expert. "We used to have an offence of spreading false news," said Kent Roach, the Prichard-Wilson Chair of Law and Public Policy at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law. "But that was struck down by the Supreme Court." Yet there could be a better blueprint for Dr. Suzuki's legal scenario. The Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act, a Liberal-sponsored private member's bill that passed and was given Royal Assent last year, legally requires the Conservative government to abide by the international pact's short-term environmental targets. In the event that conditions are not met, government officials are held liable. "Every person who contravenes a regulation made under this Act is guilty of an offence punishable by indictment or on summary conviction, as prescribed by the regulations," the act reads, "and liable to a fine or to imprisonment as prescribed by the regulations." The act adds that there are further legal measures in the event of subsequent and continuing offences, but does not specify the penalties. The Conservative government said last year it would not abide by the Liberal-sponsored bill, since private member's bills cannot force the government to spend money. National Post nationalpost.com

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (399387)	7/16/2008 8:01:47 PM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 1578294

"He's right though. Some places in California, the oil on the beaches comes from offshore natural seepage." I suppose it depends on your definition of "right". Natural seepage does occur. Especially in the Gulf. To the point that there is characteristic biota on the bottom where it occurs. TAMUG has a research submarine that they at least used to use to research such seeps in the Gulf. Now, where Hugh puts his foot into it, is with his claim that most of the tarballs are the result of natural seepage. That is counter-factual. Not that apparently will stop Hugh. But, what the heck? Why take my word for it? How many tarballs show up on Florida beaches? Given the major currents in the Gulf, most everything from the Mississippi River to the east will tend to wash up on Florida beaches. So any tarballs resulting from ships and natural seepage in that area should make its way to your beaches. Texas beaches would get the stuff from Mexico on north. Now, in my anecdotal experience, tarballs in Florida, while they do exist, are pretty rare. Especially in comparison. It is almost like there is some other factor at work...