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To: Sea Otter who wrote (1123)	7/17/2008 1:47:53 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3816

A "capitalist", is one who uses capital and operates in a capitalist market. Not "a supporter of capitalism". Frequently "capitalists" are one of the greatest dangers to a free market. Even without taking 30% (or any) losses, they want all sorts of special benefits for them, and all sorts of restrictions on or penalties against their competitors (esp. overseas competitors, who they can demonize as "taking American jobs"). We should oppose the rent-seeking of capitalists, but that isn't the same thing as opposing capitalism. -- "To widen the market and to narrow the competition is always the interest of the dealers ... The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it." Adam Smith The Wealth of Nations, Book I Chapter X

To: Sea Otter who wrote (1123)	7/24/2008 1:12:56 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 3816

weapons: Democratic Convention Protestors Will Be Blasted With Ray Guns and Sticky Goo If you're unhappy that Hillary Clinton lost the nomination to Barack Obama, you better think twice before showing your displeasure at next month's Democratic National Convention. According to CNN, the city of Denver is purchasing tons of high-tech weapons to use on unruly DNC protesters, which may include goo-guns that shoot an impossible-to-escape sticky film, sonic ray guns that produce a blood-curdling blast of noise, and a microwave device that can make you feel like your skin is burning. The ACLU is suing the city to see what weapons will end up in the final arsenal, but if you're going to the Denver, be prepared; this could make the 1968 DNC look like a picnic. [CNN] ============== 1. Should these sort of weapons be used? 2. Should they be forced to reveal what weapons they are going to be used?