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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (35676)7/21/2008 10:57:52 AM
From: Geoff Altman  Respond to of 224724
 



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (35676)7/21/2008 11:16:18 AM
From: Ann Corrigan  Respond to of 224724
 
Children of active US military born anywhere in the world are indeed US citizens. In addition, voters would never question McCain's citizenship since he suffered over 5yrs as a POW for his fellow countrymen. Conversely, most of Obama's earliest yrs were spent in Indonesia memorizing the Koran, therefore many voters worry that he does not fulfill Constitutional qualifications. His valid birth certificate would assuage their doubts.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (35676)7/21/2008 11:55:46 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 224724
 
follow up post for other weapons of islam. What ya think these islam dictatorships do with all the oil money? yours and my money? You better hope an islam favouring president of the USA never comes to power.

Islam Bullish In A Bear Market
The Amana funds, invested according to Sharia, have more than doubled since 2003, to $1.3 billion.

Published Jul 19, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Jul 28, 2008
newsweek.com

The funny thing about faith-based mutual funds is, well, that there's anything called a faith-based mutual fund. For one thing, Scripture is full of exhortations against accumulating wealth. The New Testament, especially, repeatedly reminds followers of Christ that earthly wealth means nothing in heaven. "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God," says Jesus. Also, it seems quixotic to apply a religious framework to something as material as the markets. What, after all, does God have to do with mammon? Nevertheless, faith-based funds have grown to nearly $17 billion from $500 million over the past decade, according to Morningstar, which tracks market data.

Even funnier is that some religions outperform others on the free market—at least in the short term. Faith-based funds work by screening out stocks that don't reflect the values of the faith group. So the MMA Praxis funds, founded by the Mennonites, have a pacifist and pro-environment bent: their funds screen out most oil companies and weapons makers. But financial companies are "more or less benign," explains Chad Horning, senior equity investment manager at MMA. That's why, over the past year—with oil prices up and financial services down—the MMA Core Stock Fund has performed below the market. The Timothy Plan, a conservative-Christian group of funds, also screens out "sin stocks"—tobacco, alcohol and many entertainment companies—but it doesn't share MMA's "green" perspective. Heavily invested in energy stocks, Timothy's Large/ Mid-Cap Value Fund has outperformed the market over the past year.

The big winners in faith funds (if you can be so crass) are the Islamic funds. They screen out "sin stocks"—and producers of pork products. The profitable difference is riba, or interest. The Qur'an strictly prohibits the borrowing or lending of money at interest: "Whatever you give as riba so that it might bring increase through the wealth of other people will bring you no increase with Allah," it says. Because of this prohibition, Islamic mutual funds, like those in the Amana group, don't invest in financial-services companies: they escaped the subprime mortgage debacle altogether. Most energy companies, however, are fine. "We don't consider ourselves an environmental or socially responsible fund," says Monem Salam, Amana's director of Islamic investing. "Energy was a big part of our growth." Over the past year, the Amana funds outperformed the market; their assets have more than doubled from $400 million in 2003 to $1.3 billion this year. Five years ago, most of Amana's investors were American Muslims, Salam adds. Now, he guesses, 80 percent of new investors are non-Muslims.

The managers of the Christian funds say they're in the faith-based business not to help people get rich, but to help them save—for retirement, for college—with tools they can believe in. Arthur Ally founded the Timothy Plan 15 years ago. "There's nothing wrong with having money and making money," says Ally. "What's wrong is hoarding money." At MMA, counselors help investors think about the concept of "enough." "Is it to generate as much as you can in your retirement account? Or is it to generate enough to do what you want to do?" says Mark Regier, MMA's stewardship manager. Amana encourages investors to think about how to give 2.5 percent of their wealth to charity, a tax called zakat mandated by the Qur'an. "You can amass as much as you want," says Salam. "You're purifying your wealth by paying that tax." Faith-fund clients may be happy to know that so-called vice funds, which invest exclusively in tobacco, liquor, gaming and defense, are having a tough year.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (35676)7/21/2008 1:24:30 PM
From: DizzyG  Respond to of 224724
 
Wrong again, Kenneth...

I can't make the same assumption about McCain because he has been proven to not be a natural born citizen.

Apparently you are still getting your talking points from the DNC. Perhaps this will help you:

John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the presumptive Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States, federal law states that "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States". The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen from birth.
en.wikipedia.org

A little more information:
Interpretation 303.1 United States citizenship acquired in the Canal Zone; Republic of Panama.

(a) The Canal Zone The Republic of Panama leased the Canal Zone in perpetuity to the United States by treaty ratified February 26, 1904. 1/ The first legislative enactment of August 4, 1937, conferred United States citizenship, as of such date, on all persons born in the Canal Zone, after February 25, 1904, and before the 1937 date, whose fathers, mothers, or both were United States citizens at the time of such persons' birth. By the same act, persons born on or after the 1937 date, under the same conditions of parentage, were declared to have similar status at birth.

Under the Act of October 14, 1940, 2/ and the section under discussion, comparable provisions bestow citizenship under identical conditions whether the person was born before or after the effective dates of the respective statutes.

uscis.gov

Do try to keep up, Kenneth...

Diz-