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To: epicure who wrote (76314)	7/24/2008 7:49:51 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 543455

Since our disagreement is largely a semantic one, piling on evidence that pregnancy fits your definition of a disorder, is not evidence that it fits mine. I agree that it does fit your definition (at least to the extent that I understand your definition).

To: epicure who wrote (76314)	7/24/2008 11:48:24 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543455

>>Pregnancy is NOT what it always was. It is a fundamentally different experience today. It's very very very different than it was before. People have never been as fat and out of shape as they are now, and that's having a tremendous impact on things like pregnancy- as are rampant sexual diseases and the increasing age of pregnant women.<< Syb - I was following this discussion today on my iPhone, while having an infusion at the chemo joint. I kept wanting to jump in with this thought. It's pretty much pointless to discuss what is normal or not normal without agreeing on a frame of reference. In the medical or biological view, one would have to say that it is normal for women who are between puberty and menopause to be fertile, and for them to be at risk of getting pregnant when they have intercourse. If they do get pregnant, that, too, is a perfectly normal condition, medically. That's what Tim was talking about. Now that medical science has given us contraceptive devices and medications that are nearly 100% effective, pregnancy has become much easier to prevent. Thus, it is no longer socially "normal" for women to have large numbers of children, and to have little or no control over when they get pregnant. There. I feel better now. - Allen