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To: jrhana who wrote (366)	7/28/2008 9:26:07 AM
From: Oral Roberts	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39297

This Atkins thing is kind of funny. Years back I did it to lose 50lb's with many people trying to convince me I'm going to die. But before starting I was having some fasting blood sugars of 115 or so. 3 over 120 and you are labeled as being diabetic which I then had. So I start reading up on diabetes and go to the governments web site and low and behold they are all but telling me I need to go on Atkins. Now when I was on the pure Atkins not only my blood sugar but my cholesterol numbers all came down a lot. So I can't help but feel that it is heart healthy. Now the new South Beach I've heard looks more at glycemic load then just carbs and allows some carbs and fruits and perhaps might be more varied then Atkins for someone still wanting breads and such. At any rate as my doctor said any diet that allowed me to lose 50 lbs and bring my 3 month glucose reading into normal range, where it still stays, without medication is just fine by him. Now like Lindy I'm thinking of trying to lose the last 50 so I can quit the BP meds. Since I'm on the lowest dose of a diuretic I would think that may be a goal that can be attained with a bit of work.

To: jrhana who wrote (366)	7/28/2008 12:25:28 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39297

jrhana, Well for me bread is indeed the very staff of life so I am not about to give it up. There was no bread before mill was invented, and there was life before mill was invented. BTW, it's not that I personally never eat bread, I just try to keep the amount low. Phase 1 of the the South Florida diet is more like an induction phase for your typical overweight office junkie who is addicted to doughnuts, pizza, sodas etc. Phase 2 is a test transition to phase 3 where you spend your life and where some whole grains are indeed acceptable. My diet is in general not too different from South Beach diet. I just never call it that. There were diet books (and gurus) who preceded South Beach, and South Beach diet copied a lot of ideas from them. In Particular, Protein Power and The Zone diets. I see Atkins is being pushed here and it has its passionate adherents. I don't buy that it is necessarily as good for your cardiovascular system as a Mediterranean type diet would be. I am not quite sure that is the case. The latest study from Israel showed Low Carb to be slightly better than Mediterranean. I think Atkins diet has its place for people who need to lose fat. Once you achieve your goal, you are allowed to add a little more carbs in maintenance phase of Atkins diet. I am, in general, on a low carb diet, but not extremely low carb. That way, I can have more variety in food. I am pretty much at my ideal weight and I don't need to lose any weight. Some observers are also convinced that a vegetarian type of diet acts to prevent many forms of cancers there are possible trade offs everywhere. There are a lot of beneficial nutrients in vegetables, especially non-starchy ones. You can eat plenty of those even on Atkins diet. The things to avoid or limit are grains, sugars, excessive starches and excessive fruits and fruit juices. I don't think there is any benefit in avoiding meat and fish. I think if there is any benefit in vegetarian diet, it is not from grains, it is from vegetables. It is just my theory. I don't think there were any well designed studies on this. Joe

To: jrhana who wrote (366)	7/28/2008 7:30:10 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 39297

I stumbled upon something in my surfing today that made me think of you. I thought I had clipped it but can't find it. Can't find the source, either. But this is what it said, FWIW. It said that even whole grain bread is made with stale flour. Flour only holds its nutrients for six days. That is why they "enrich" bread, because the flour is deficient in nutrients. Only what they use to enrich it isn't as good as what's in fresh flour. Like I said: FWIW.