To: Elmer Phud who wrote (254993 ) 8/1/2008 12:10:14 AM From: fastpathguru Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872 >In this particular case, "competition" and "the competition" are one and the same, namely AMD. Plain English fails you again. "Competition" is what happens when competitors compete; a process . "The competition", from the perspective of competitor X, is the set of other competitors that competitor X faces during competition. They are not the same thing. Protecting the process may benefit a/the competitor(s) as a side effect but the ultimate goal is to protect the consumer. (Versus your nauseatingly repetitive argument that the end goal is to protect "the competition.") The fact that Intel has only one viable competitor makes the case against them stronger .>As consumers have been enjoying lower prices and higher performance, the EU's actions would therefore be intended to protect AMD by forcing consumers to pay more if Intel can't offer volume rebates. Intel is not accused of using volume rebates, they are accused of using loyalty rebates. I thought we've been over this before, and yet you persist with this bogus argument. Loyalty rebates, when abused (as Intel is accused of) result in HIGHER prices, not lower ones. I see you still haven't grokked that concept yet, or are being deliberately obtuse.>How you can claim that there is no basis to call that "at the expense of the consumer" is a real head scratcher. The image of you scratching your head, trying to overcome your inability to understand how loyalty rebates can be abused (as Intel is charged) is fitting.>The consumers want Intel products, otherwise AMD would simply match Intel's rebate program. More evidence of your ignorance re: loyalty rebates, given the casual way you toss out the "simply match" comment. Actually, your claim doesn't even make logical sense; Why exactly would higher demand for AMD products suddenly enable them to match Intel's loyalty rebates? Regardless, the true demand for AMD products could not be expressed due to Intel's exclusionary tactics, i.e. precisely what they are charged with. The EU claims Intel perverted the market; that this argument against it is premised on a normally functioning market indicates that you simply just don't get it. You are not operating in the same universe as the parties to this case.>They can't because demand won't support the volume. Yet more; the BS never ends.>If it could all this would be moot. In the EU, having a competitive "competitor" is apparently not a requirement for having "competition" and it once again supports statements from the EU that say a Monopoly will not be tolerated. Your self-serving conclusion is as groundless as the premises it's based on... i.e. your ignorance of the basis of the charges Intel faces, i.e. loyalty rebates. Their exclusionary effect is not based on a lower overall price to a customer OEM. fpg