To: Elmer Phud who wrote (37610 ) 8/9/2008 12:54:55 AM From: Math Junkie Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42834 "I too have an engineering background and decades of experience. That's why I know that I'm not qualified to debate the science of Global Warming. " If you have an engineering degree, the only thing that determines whether you are qualified to debate the science is whether you have done enough reading on the subject, IMO. "But I am qualified to observe that there is debate and one side, in almost a childish manner, is claiming that no responsible scientist disagrees with them. " Who, specifically, is claiming that? "Apparently defining 'responsible' as someone who shares their view. That's immature and not needed when searching for the truth. " The arguments being used by those who are either sure that humans are not a significant factor in global warming, or sure that it doesn't exist, are even worse, from what I'm seen: Idiotic stuff like claiming that the existence of natural influences on climate somehow proves that human influences can't also be significant; citing ever-escalating numbers of scientists on their side without saying what percentage of scientists that represents, and without providing any means of knowing which of them have actually done an adequate review of the evidence; pointing to any short term unusually cold weather in any specific region as somehow reversing a long term trend in the global average; acting as if the validity of anthropogenic global warming theory can somehow be determined by whether or not Al Gore is a hypocrite; etc., etc. "The other organization is however a political one and injecting politics is part of the problem. " I don't think that the fact that it is supported by governmental bodies automatically makes it political. I'm more interested in whether the people writing the reports have the appropriate scientific training, and whether they cite their sources. "It might be of interest to you to read some of the comments by scientists who's work was cited by the IPCC and reported as drawing the exact opposite conclusions that the scientists themselves concluded in their findings. " Can you provide specific examples? And do you know whether this is a wide-spread problem, and if so, how do you know that? "Regardless of the question of Global Warming and to what extent human activity may or may not be responsible, it is unfathomable how anyone can ignore the 100s of millions of tons of CO2 plus 10s of thousands of tons of uranium and thorium dumped into the atmosphere by coal fired plants every year because of irrational fears of nuclear power plants. If Global Warming is a result of human activity, where better to attack the problem than to remove this enormous source of greenhouse gases? Even if global warming is not a result of human activity (not my claim) then who wants to breath from coal fired plants, 10,000 times more uranium and thorium than emitted by all nuclear accidents and testing combined? There is simply no avoiding the conclusion that any alternative to nuclear power poses far more dangers than what the alarmists are trying to avoid, safe, clean, cheap, limitless nuclear power. " I agree with you that we need nuclear power, but I think it would be a mistake to think that we need to confine ourselves to only one alternative. The most credible proposals I have seen involve a combination of a number of alternatives.