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To: Land Shark who wrote (2782)8/4/2008 3:05:46 PM
From: Land Shark  Respond to of 49029
 
Pickens, Gore Sidestep Differences in Alternative-Energy Quest

By Kim Chipman
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Aug. 4 (Bloomberg) -- The most unlikely alliance in this election year hasn't come out of any political campaign. It's in the convergence of interests between billionaire oilman and Republican Party backer T. Boone Pickens and former vice president turned environmentalist Al Gore.

Gore, the Democratic Party's 2000 standard-bearer, and Pickens, who helped bankroll the group that questioned Democrat John Kerry's war record in the 2004 presidential race, are pursuing separate paths toward a shared goal: cutting U.S. dependence on oil.

Pickens said he and Gore have had ``several conversations'' about their complementary campaigns to overhaul the U.S. energy menu and usher in a new era of wind farms, natural gas pumps and solar panels.

``We have to get the country off the $700 billion a year it spends on foreign oil,'' Pickens said in a telephone interview from his ranch in the Texas panhandle. ``It's a killer and is going to cause our economy great problems.''

Gore's emphasis is on the environment more than energy independence. The biggest difference between the two concurrent campaigns and past efforts at addressing both issues is the money being put into the projects and a growing consensus that an era of profitable alternative-energy production is here.

`For the Country'

Pickens, 80, insists his $58 million marketing campaign to push the country off imported oil toward domestic energy sources and his investment in a $10 billion wind farm in Texas isn't about making money -- he's said he does that well enough already.

``What I'm doing now I'm trying to do for the country,'' he said.

Asked if he agrees with another billionaire, Ted Turner, that shifting to a low-carbon economy is the ``biggest business opportunity there's ever been,'' Pickens hesitated.

``Hold on,'' he said.

With that, Turner, the 69-year-old founder of the Cable News Network and Turner Broadcasting got on the line to say he ``absolutely'' believes his assessment is correct.

``I've been saying that for years,'' said Turner, whose ideology is closer to that of Gore than Pickens.

Turner said he and Pickens spent two days ``mostly talking about green energy, global warming.''

Pickens argues that wind harnessed from the country's midsection could provide 22 percent of U.S. electricity by 2010. That would free up natural gas to replace gasoline in vehicles.

Gore's Campaign

Gore, 60, who won a Nobel Prize for raising awareness about global warming, is taking a slightly different approach. In a July 17 speech, he issued a call for the U.S. to completely convert to electricity production from solar, wind and other zero-carbon-emissions sources. His Alliance for Climate Protection is undertaking a $300 million advertising campaign to promote the concept.

Gore's main focus is environmental, though he also frames the debate as a matter of security and economics.

While Pickens views his own proposal as a ``bridge to where Al wants to go,'' there are no plans now to coordinate.

``He asked if we could we join together and do something; I told him no, because global warming is on page two for me,'' Pickens, founder and chairman of Dallas-based BP Capital LLC, said. ``Page one is foreign oil.''

``There are some pieces where they might differ,'' Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said. Gore's ``feeling is they have more in common than the elements that might separate their proposals.''

Environmentalists Enthused

The prospect of two such different public figures even reading from the same book has environmentalists enthused.

``I'm delighted at both of them,'' said lawyer and activist Robert Kennedy Jr., the son of the late Senator Robert Kennedy.

Kennedy, 54, who is seeking a meeting with Pickens, agrees with Turner that the profit motive will trigger the biggest U.S. economic shift since the Industrial Revolution.

``As soon as you open up the marketplace, you are going to see an explosion in entrepreneurial activity,'' Kennedy said.

While Republican lawmakers last week blocked passage of energy legislation that would extend tax credits for alternative energy, backers of such measures say Pickens and Gore are giving the drive increased credibility.

``There's an emerging consensus that renewables, which have been derided for so long as a pop gun when you need a cannon, are showing signs of being able to contribute on a much larger scale than anyone has thought,'' said Reid Dechton, an official in former President George H.W. Bush administration who is now with Turner's United Nations Foundation.

The immediate goal for the two men is turning up the volume of the debate in the presidential campaign. The two major-party candidates, Senator Barack Obama, an Illinois Democrat, and Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, agree on the need to combat climate change and cut U.S. dependence on oil, even if their solutions differ.

When Gore last month announced his challenge to rewire the country and produce carbon-free electricity, both offered support. McCain made a point of praising Gore. Now Pickens is part of the conversation as well.

At a July 31 fundraiser in Houston, Obama told supporters, ``T. Boone Pickens is onto something here.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Kim Chipman in Washington at kchipman@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: August 4, 2008 00:01 EDT



To: Land Shark who wrote (2782)8/4/2008 3:25:51 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 49029
 
Uh, no. just a battery in a different form guaranteed to waste energy.

‘Major discovery’ from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution — NOT!
I have gotten bombarded by too many people asking me if the story headlined above is true. It isn’t. Not even close.

Science magazine, which published the supposedly “major discovery” by MIT’s Daniel Nocera headlined their story, “New Catalyst Marks Major Step in the March Toward Hydrogen Fuel” (subs. req’d). Doh! But who needs a major step towards hydrogen? (see “This just in: Hydrogen fuel cell cars are still dead” and the links at the end for a general debunking.)

And Science seems to be having problems with the laws of physics, as we’ll see. I thought I had explained this to Scientific American, but given their puff piece — the findings “help pave the way for a future hydrogen economy” — I obviously failed. Let me try again.

MIT had the sexier headline on unleashing the solar revolution. Too bad that headline isn’t accurate for two mains reasons — The solar revolution already has been unleashed, and if it hadn’t been, this technology wouldn’t do the trick even if were near commercial, which it isn’t. MIT reports:

In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar power from a marginal, boutique alternative [!] into a mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn’t shine.

Until now, solar power has been a daytime-only energy source, because storing extra solar energy for later use is prohibitively expensive and grossly inefficient. With today’s announcement, MIT researchers have hit upon a simple, inexpensive, highly efficient process for storing solar energy.

As we’ll see, they have not developed an efficient storage process — and we have no idea if it’s cheap because they don’t have anything near a commercial prototype (indeed, they have not even solve all of the scientific challenges). But in any case, we already have an inexpensive, highly efficient process for storing solar energy — it’s called solar baseload (see climateprogress.org and climateprogress.org.

Yes, solar PV would benefit from cheap storage, but PV’s biggest problem is simply its high price, which is expected to drop rapidly in the coming years. And, in any case, for industrialized countries, you can’t get too excited about storing daytime PV electricity — which avoids expensive peak power — and shifting it to the nighttime, where extra power is almost worthless.

But I digress. It is the details of this “major discovery” that render it quite unexciting and unmajor:

Requiring nothing but abundant, non-toxic natural materials, this discovery could unlock the most potent, carbon-free energy source of all: the sun. “This is the nirvana of what we’ve been talking about for years,” said MIT’s Daniel Nocera, the Henry Dreyfus Professor of Energy at MIT and senior author of a paper describing the work in the July 31 issue of Science. “Solar power has always been a limited, far-off solution. Now we can seriously think about solar power as unlimited and soon.”

Note to Nocera: “Nirvana”? That takes the hype about hydrogen to a new level. In any case, solar power is already unlimited and soon. Solar baseload and solar PV are seeing explosive growth now and by 2015, they will probably both be cheaper than new nuclear — and cheaper than new coal and new natural gas if we have a price for emitting carbon dioxide that comes anywhere near close the damage those emissions due to the climate.

Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera’s lab, have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the sun’s energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen may be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power your house or your electric car, day or night.

[In the voice of Jon Stewart] Oh press release from my beloved alma mater, why do you mock me? Who exactly is going to buy this electrolyzer, plus a home hydrogen storage system, plus an expensive fuel cell — for the sole purpose of taking valuable zero-carbon peak electricity and throwing more than half of it away in the round trip, all for the luxury of having nighttime power which we can buy for virtually nothing on the grid. Why not just run your friggin’ electric car on cheap wind power that blows mainly at night?

And the coverage gets better — if by better I mean worse — courtesy of Science:

The catalyst isn’t perfect. It still requires excess electricity to start the water-splitting reaction, energy that isn’t recovered and stored in the fuel.

Oh related story from a beloved science journal that published “A Road Map for U.S. Carbon Reductions,” why do you mock me? Did Science really think that even an illustrious MIT scientist could violate the laws of physics and split water into hydrogen and oxygen using less energy than is recoverd and stored in the fuel (i. e. emitted when the oxygen and hydrogen are recombined)? If you could do that, why bother with solar energy — just split the damn water and recombine it, extract the excess energy, and repeat over and over and over again. You’d have a terrific free-energy-generating perpetual motion machine and a Nobel prize and probably never grow old and get to date Uma Thurman.

And for now, the catalyst can accept only low levels of electrical current. Nocera says he’s hopeful that both problems can be solved, and because the catalysts are so easy to make, he expects progress will be swift.

No. I’m sure Nocera does not believe the first problem can be solved as it would require violating laws of thermodynamics, and he is a “Professor or Energy” at MIT.

Why are so many serious people confused on this point? Even Scientific American ran this absurd caption:

WATER REFINERY?: A new catalyst and polymer might prove key in delivering cost-effective–and plentiful–hydrogen from water.

Water refinery? Oh magazine that once published an article I wrote with Andy Frank on plug-in hybrids, why do you mock me? You can’t “refine” water like you can refine petroleum. You can’t extract energy when you split water. You extract energy when you make water. Water is the end state of generating energy by combining hydrogen and oxygen. Water is a waste product, like carbon dioxide, though an especially useful waste product.

Back to Science magazine:

Further work is also needed to reduce the cost of cathodes and to link the electrodes to solar cells to provide clean electricity. A final big push will be to see if the catalyst or others like it can operate in seawater. If so, future societies could use sunlight to generate hydrogen from seawater and then pipe it to large banks of fuel cells on shore that could convert it into electricity and fresh water, thereby using the sun and oceans to fill two of the world’s greatest needs.

So we would place large solar-energy-gathering systems on the turbulent ocean and build large hydrogen pipelines and large banks of fuel cells? No, no, and no. Honestly, people, baseload solar can do all of that for far less cost. Nobody is going to spend a gazillion dollars for a process that throws away more than half the original solar electricity, even if it were practical, which I doubt. And baseload solar can also desalinate water, as can ocean thermal energy.

Back to the MIT release:

Nocera hopes that within 10 years, homeowners will be able to power their homes in daylight through photovoltaic cells, while using excess solar energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen to power their own household fuel cell. Electricity-by-wire from a central source could be a thing of the past.

Why does Professor of Energy Nocera hope for something so unlikely and unuseful and expensive and inefficient? Most homes probably couldn’t put enough PV panels on their house to generate excess solar energy anyway, even if anybody ever developed unaffordable household fuel cell.

I’ll keep my PV panels for peak power and in a few years buy a plug-in (and lease the battery) and run it on nighttime wind and not have to waste money on a household fuel cell — which are currently wildly expensive — while trying to convince my neighbors and my local zoning board that generating and storing hydrogen in my home is not an unsafe, industrial activity that should require massive ventilation, blow-out walls, and a 50-foot clearance between my house and any neighboring buildings.

Final note to science journalist and scientists: Please stop using words like “major discovery” or “nirvana” or “revolutionary” or “breakthrough” or even “cost-effective” in the same sentence as “hydrogen.”

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