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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (38092)	8/5/2008 7:57:48 PM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 224757

You haven't proven anything. Did you read the article about what Obama voted for? lol No, of corse you didn't Kenneth.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (38092)	8/5/2008 8:05:38 PM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 224757

Critical of McCain, Obama quiet on own energy vote By TOM RAUM Democratic candidate Barack Obama criticized Republican John McCain on Tuesday for taking a page out of "the Cheney playbook" on energy, overlooking his own support of oil-friendly policies that the unpopular vice president helped to craft. Vice President Dick Cheney, a former oilman, early in the Bush administration helped draft an energy policy that Obama asserted is biased in favor of tax breaks and favorable treatment for big oil. Obama's remarks were an attempt to capitalize on Cheney's unpopularity. "President Bush, he had an energy policy. He turned to Dick Cheney and he said, 'Cheney, go take care of this,'" Obama said. "Cheney met with renewable-energy folks once and oil and gas (executives) 40 times. McCain has taken a page out of the Cheney playbook." In stumping Tuesday in this key battleground state, Obama sought to link the troubled economy with Republican policies and offer his own energy plan in contrast. He has tried to cast McCain as more concerned about oil company profits and drilling than an overall energy strategy. However, Obama himself voted for a 2005 energy bill backed by Bush that included billions in subsidies for oil and natural gas production, a measure Cheney played a major role in developing. McCain opposed the bill on grounds it included billions in unnecessary tax breaks for the oil industry. The Obama campaign has said the Illinois senator supported the legislation because it included huge investments in renewable energy. McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds, said, "Barack Obama is opposed to offshore drilling and is also opposed to admitting that he voted for the same corporate giveaways for Big Oil that he's campaigning against today." With polls showing concern over gas prices a prime concern of Americans, Obama has been depicting energy as the nation's most pressing national security and economic issue. Obama has proposed a $1,000-per family energy rebate to be paid for by a tax on excessive energy-company profits. He called for ending U.S. reliance on oil from the Middle East and Venezuela over the next 10 years, a project he said would cost the U.S. $150 billion. Obama has also proposed borrowing oil from the strategic petroleum reserve as a short-term measure to reduce gasoline prices, a conditional and limited resumption of offshore drilling, and a new emphasis on alternative energy sources and hybrid vehicles. "Our economy is in turmoil, I don't have to tell the people of Youngstown," Obama told a high-school gymnasium audience in this rust-belt city. "People here have known some hard knocks and hard times." Ohio is a bellwether state, having voted for the winning candidate in all 11 presidential elections since 1964, including handing Bush a close re-election victory in 2004. Increasingly, with his appearances this week and with a new ad, Obama has been seeking to tie McCain to the oil and gas industry, although McCain, unlike Bush and Cheney, did not previously work in the industry. A new Obama ad says Big Oil filled McCain's campaign with $2 million in contributions and that he "wants to give them another $4 billion in tax breaks." That $4 billion consists mainly of potential revenue from a McCain proposal to lower corporate taxes on all American businesses. The McCain campaign pointed out that the ad doesn't mention Obama has taken some $400,000 from oil company executives. "We have to end the age of oil. "Obama said. "If we fail to act, there are severe indications for national security, our economy and our environment." Obama has had trouble connecting with white working-class voters, who are a major factor in Ohio. Clinton won the state in its Democratic primary earlier this year. Gov. Ted Strickland, who had been a Clinton supporter, gave a rousing endorsement of Obama, calling him "bright, young, energized and compassionate." Obama's focused on economic issues. He said that oil giant Exxon-Mobil "makes in 30 seconds what the typical Ohio worker makes in a year." "We need more jobs and economic development. Why don't we focus on clean energy and reopening factories and putting people back to work? Nobody is benefiting from jobs that are leaving the community," he said. Obama has proposed a $15-billion-a-year program to help promote clean-energy jobs. In a question-and-answer session, Obama was asked if he would support term limits for members of Congress by a questioner who noted that many senators were elderly. "I've got colleagues in the Senate who are doing absolutely outstanding work, and they're well into their 70s," Obama said. He praised ailing Sen. Edward M. Kennedy as one. "I'm generally not in favor of term limits," he said. "Nobody is term-limiting the lobbyists or the slick operators walking around the halls of Congress. I believe in one form of term limits. They're called elections." Obama had a 6 percentage point lead over McCain in an Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Tuesday. He leads McCain among women by 13 points, among young voters 33 and younger by 30 points, and by 55 points among minorities, according to the poll. McCain leads among whites by 10 points. A poll released Monday by The Washington Post showed Obama with a 2-to-1 edge with low-income voters.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (38092)	8/5/2008 8:14:13 PM
From: puborectalis	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 224757

" On May 22, 2008, the U.S. Senate overwhelmingly approved a landmark increase in college aid to veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Senator McCain, however, sided with President Bush who has promised to veto the legislation which was authored by Virginia Democratic Senator Jim Webb. But the 75-22 margin, more than the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto, suggests an easy override of the President’s wishes. On the Senate floor, Democrat Presidential candidate Barack Obama respectfully disagreed with McCain’s opposition to the Webb bill saying, “I respect Senator John McCain’s service to our country. He is one of those heroes of which I speak. But I can’t understand why he would line up behind the President in his opposition to this G.I. bill.” The bill’s chief author is Senator Jim Webb who has a son serving in Iraq. Webb, like McCain, is a war hero who also served as secretary of the Navy under President Reagan. The Webb G.I. Bill is co-authored by Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton along with Republican Senators Chuck Hagel, Frank Lautenberg and John Warner. It proposes paying tuition, room and board and a $1,000 monthly stipend to veterans who have served on active duty for at least two years. The legislation is backed by several veterans’ groups, including The American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Webb argued that providing today’s veterans with a G.I. Bill similar to what World War II-era veterans received would boost recruiting, ease the transition of soldiers returning from war and raise the quality of life for those who have risked their lives. McCain responded to Obama not with an answer but with an angry personal attack saying that he would not listen to any lectures on veteran’s affairs from Obama, “Who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform.” Well, if people who didn’t serve in the military are not entitled to opinions on the subject then I imagine Senator McCain is also referring to George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Abraham Lincoln (not a veteran by his own admission) Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton (Bush was in the Air National Guard but rarely showed up for work). I cannot help but infer that McCain feels his judgment on the needs of current veterans is better than that of other Senators (whether having served or not) simply because his service is superior to theirs. What incredible arrogance. Let us follow McCain’s convoluted reasoning a little farther. Does John McCain have a right to opine on issues concerning women — he’s never been one. Does the good Senator have any right to speak out on minority issues — he’s never been a minority. Does the Arizona Republican have any right to speak out on Israel — he’s not Jewish. And —what about the economy? McCain admits he is weak on the subject. His response to Obama was not only an example of his famous hair-trigger temper; it was a perfect example of hubris. And, oh yeah, I’d still like to know the answer to Senator Obama’s question, “Why are you opposed to this G.I. Bill? Finally, in case you didn’t know, the original G.I. Bill returned between five and thirteen dollars on every one dollar invested. It also was more generous than Webb’s proposal because it also covered private college tuition. Guess who said this, “The original G.I. Bill is one of the greatest things about the 20th century.” None other than Arizona Senator John McCain. His support of President Bush in opposition to the Webb bill can be defined as nothing other than sheer hypocrisy. Never have the words “John McCaine, more of the same,” been truer." blogsbybob.wordpress.com