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To: tejek who wrote (404685)8/6/2008 1:38:18 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1571591
 
Do you think that attacking Iraq in addition to Afghanistan was the intelligent thing to do knowing what we knew then?

That is a separate issue. CJ's cartoon mocked Americans who wanted to respond to 911 AT ALL.

As to Iraq, sure I do. But thats not the issue I'm complaining about. Its the kneejerk demeaning of anyone who wants America to defend itself when attacked.

It happened in my America, not yours.

All of America is my country. NY as well as the south you post hate articles about.

In fact, anything above the Mason Dixon line is treated by you all as if its one step from a whore house.


Thats a lie. We do think liberals are nuts, but we don't post stuff like the "F* the South" thing you post repeatedly. Its yyou who demean entire sections of the country.

And BTW America was attacked at the Pentagon too. Also part of my country. Yours?

No, that's all yours.


Yeah, the Pentagon isn't part of "your America". Like I said, liberals don't want to defend the country so they even disown the military which exists to do that. Thanks for proving my overall point here.

Bush didn't defend NYC......he didn't find the perpetrators and convict them.

KSM was a key plotter and is on trial now. A number of others are dead or in Gitmo. Zawahiri may be dead now.



To: tejek who wrote (404685)8/6/2008 1:39:59 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571591
 
My opinion on war and peace and Presidents:

I've been waiting for an opportunity to post this.

JFK made the first significant troop commitment to VN, LBJ escalated that commitment to a half million troops, Nixon Vietnamized the war cutting American forces in VN in his first term from about half a million to under 25,000 before forcing NVN to the peace table by bombing and mining the north, Bush the elder pushed Saddam out of Kuwait and committed troops to keep him out of Kuwait, SA and the Gulf emirates, Clinton bombed Iraq heavily and threatened war to overthrow Saddam but backed off (though his administration established the Iraq terror and WMD links which led to the eventual Iraq war), Clinton also waged an air war on Serbia, Gore promised to remove Saddam if elected during his 2000 campaign, the current Bush President invaded Afghanistan and then re-evaluated Iraq after 911 and decided to go to war to remove Saddam. I'm ignoring small interventions over these years - Haiti, Dominican Republic, Panama, Lebanon, Somalia, etc.

Its one thing to question whether some of these decisions of war and peace were warranted or not. But I think it's a very grevious error to claim that any of these men went to war or waged war with evil, ulterior, or malicious motives or goals. Or even that they made the decision lightly or without getting what they believed was the best advice they could. We've seen that Presidents visibly age during the time they're in office and there's little doubt to me that the weight of the hard decisions they have to make have something to do with that. I think it really poisons the national debate to make accusations of ill will and intent. Those poisonous accusations tend to be made mostly against conservative Presidents. But not entirely. While JFK was killed before the antiwar movement got started, LBJ certainly wasn't spared unfair attack. I recall also the leftwing accusations the US was deliberately killing 50,000 Iraqi children a year during the 1980's. We've seen the Hollywood left make a series of crappy movies about the Iraq and Afghan wars, but even during the Clinton administration they made at least one similar movie (Wag the Dog) over the Balkan intervention. These accusations against the current President have reached the level of obscenity and its time for people who continue this to be shunned by civilized people imo.

I'm sure all the Presidents I've named believed they were doing what was best for the nation when they made the decisions they did. Even those Presidents I don't particularly care for.