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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (405047)8/7/2008 4:23:30 PM
From: i-node  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1576619
 
emergency care gets the same attention as it does here...

This statement is absolutely incorrect. You don't know what you're talking about. This is from '05, and the situation has deteriorated badly in the last 3 years, but this is bad enough:

cbsnews.com

"It's like somebody's telling you that you can buy this car, and you've paid for the car, but you can't have it right now," said Jane Pelton. Rather than leave daughter Emily in pain and a knee brace, the Ottawa family opted to pay $3,300 for arthroscopic surgery at a private clinic in Vancouver, with no help from the government.

"Every day we're paying for health care, yet when we go to access it, it's just not there," said Pelton.
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It calculates that at present rates, Ontario will be spending 85 percent of its budget on health care by 2035.
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Meanwhile, the average wait for surgical or specialist treatment is nearly 18 weeks, up from 9.3 weeks in 1993, according to the Fraser Institute, a right-wing public policy think tank in Vancouver. A Fraser study last year said the average wait for an orthopedic surgeon was more than nine months.
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One woman went to Turkey for treatment. Another, Johanne Lavoie, was among several sent to the United States. Diagnosed with invasive breast cancer in 1999, she traveled every week with her 5-year-old son to Vermont, a four-hour bus ride.


Not enough? Here's some more:

Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin’s insurance didn’t: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.
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On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.

city-journal.org

These are not outliers; these are typical cases. Any person who cites Canadian healthcare as a model (or British) is freaking stupid or just ignorant of the facts.

And your statement that ER treatment is "the same as you get here" is utterly absurd. America has the best emergency facilities of any country in the world, and it is not even a close call.



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (405047)8/7/2008 6:04:37 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576619
 
I work with a guy who just moved back here about a month ago from Calgary. He did so because of a back problem - he was gonna have to wait about 6 mos just to get an MRI there.

He's had the MRI and surgery all ready and is recuperating at home now.

It isn't true that people have to wait a long time for elective surgery in the US.