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To: steve harris who wrote (406048)	8/12/2008 9:11:55 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577229

It's amazing Marxists don't hide their support for Moscow any more... Did you consider that Georgia didn't attack Russia? I consider Georgia to be stupid and Putin an butthole. What else do you need to know, stevie?

To: steve harris who wrote (406048)	8/12/2008 9:17:47 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577229

You know, harris........I don't think they like us in Russia. Have you been talking Marxist sht with them again? Matt Siegel: 'I came here to defend my people from genocide* Tuesday, 12 August 2008 "I came here to fight," said Nikolai, a muscular 30-year-old from Stavropol, the birthplace of Mikhail Gorbachev. When Nikolai heard that war had broken out in Georgia's breakaway province of South Ossetia he left his job, jumped in the car and drove 600 miles through the night to sign up to help defend the Russia cause. "I came here to defend my people from genocide." Nikolai is far from alone. Since the fighting broke out on Thursday night, hundreds and perhaps thousands of upstart fighters from Siberia to Chechnya have flocked to the border with Georgia to sign up to fight in what they describe as the first front in a full-scale war between Russia and the United States. "This war," barked a stocky young man at a military recruitment centre in Vladikavkaz, the North Ossetian capital [in Russia], "is absolutely a war between Russia and America. The biggest mistake was in underestimating us. Now you'll see what happens." Officially, Russia denies the existence of volunteer brigades. Moscow does not use conscription and has no provision for enlisting reinforcements in a particular armed conflict, said a military spokesman. Those who have come to the border with Georgia offer only humanitarian aid, he claimed. "The whole of South Ossetia is in ruins. The role of those who came here today is 100 per cent humanitarian. They came to rebuild ... infrastructure." In Vladikavkaz, a departure point for tanks and troops moving towards South Ossetia, the reality is different. Beneath a corrugated iron awning in the courtyard of the recruitment centre, a group of irregular soldiers mills about restlessly. Their battle get-up ranges from jeans and striped Russian navy T-shirts to Soviet-era military dress. But their chatter is uniform – an endless discussion about the war and what it means. One fighter, who described himself only as a Cossack from Siberia, also said the goal of Georgia's President, Mikheil Saakashvili, and his American backers is nothing less than the complete ethnic cleansing of the region. "It's an American-led genocide," he said. Some volunteers in Vladikavkaz said they were being given assault rifles and $400 (£200). And some Russian officers, when pressed, admitted that the humanitarian mission was a recruitment smokescreen. "In the past two days, about 2,000 people volunteered. These are men... with experience of military operations in hot spots," the head of one recruitment post told the Russian Ria Novosti news agency. This volunteer fighting force is something to which even Vladmir Putin, the Prime Minister, has alluded. On Friday, he told George Bush that it would be "difficult to restrain" them. Closer to the combat zone, near the Roki Tunnel, which leads into South Ossetia, the co-operation between irregular fighters and the official army is immediately apparent. Dozens of cars filled with civilian fighters were interspersed in a column of hundreds of Russian troops and tanks, rumbling through narrow mountain passes around the border. "Bush kaput! Bush kaput! We will fight against America!" shouted Zelimkhan Gagiev, 27, from the window of his Neva jeep. Waiting in the courtyard of the recruitment centre, Azamat, 30, was seething. "Not one newspaper in the West has written the truth about what's happening here. No one has written that the Georgians were the ones who started this. That they are the ones shooting women and children." The North Ossetians, who used to live harmoniously next to Georgian neighbours, are being caught in this wave of anti-Western hysteria. Edik Ikaev, a chef from Vladikavkaz, said: "It's strange, because I've lived around them all my life, but I'm just so angry at the Georgians. If they let me fight, I will." independent.co.uk

To: steve harris who wrote (406048)	8/13/2008 3:08:02 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577229

The US response to the Russian invasion of Georgia sounds both churlish as well as impotent. Does it embarrass you......it does me. I wonder if Rice stamped her well leathered foot when she delivered the message. And inoys spare me your input......I know you found the extreme language of her message to comport with what you consider to be the proper position the US should take in this matter although its an extreme understatement of the US position and does not comport with the extremist experience and substance the Bush administration has in this arena. U.S. may seek to punish Russia for Georgia conflict From Elise Labott CNN State Department Producer WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Furious over Russia's invasion of Georgia, the United States and its allies are weighing steps to diplomatically isolate Moscow as punishment for the conflict, senior administration officials said Tuesday. "It is not business as usual anymore with the Russians, and there are consequences for doing what they are doing," one senior U.S. official said. Two senior administration officials said Tuesday that they could not speak for attribution because no final decisions had been made. But the United States will be discussing steps to take with its allies in the NATO alliance and the European Union, they said. The United States boycotted preparatory meetings Tuesday for a NATO meeting with Russia, and NATO has canceled a naval exercise with Russian forces in the northern Pacific. Washington and its allies also are discussing whether to drop Moscow from the Group of Eight industrialized economic powers, the official said. Russian President Dimitry Medvedev had pledged to strengthen Russia's role in the international community and world economy. But the U.S. official said that Russia, in its current situation, has "much more to lose" than the Soviet Union did when it invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968. "Russia has one foot integrated into the international economy and community of states and one foot that is not quite in it," the official said. The Russians should consider "whether they haven't achieved some tactical objectives at the expense of some strategic objectives," the official added. The United States has criticized the Russian move against Georgia, its ally, as "disproportionate" and demanded a cease-fire, to which French President Nicolas Sarkozy said both sides agreed late Tuesday. Watch Georgia's president discuss the cease-fire » "I wanted to make very clear that the United States stands for the territorial integrity of Georgia, for the sovereignty of Georgia; that we support its democratically elected government and people, and are reviewing options for humanitarian and reconstruction assistance to Georgia," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Tuesday. "But the most important thing right now is that these military operations need to stop." President Bush said Monday that Russia's actions "substantially damaged Russia's standing in the world" and "jeopardized its relations" with the United States and Europe. Russia's ambassador to the United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, criticized the Bush administration for treating Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili like "a naughty child" as fighting raged between the two nations. "We are not happy with the way the United States has been behaving, especially the way the United States has been propping up Mr. Saakashvili over the past few years," Churkin said. Watch Churkin discuss the conflict » However, the ambassador held out hope for restored relations. "I hope we continue normal relations with the United States and the rest of the international community," he added. "We have equal interests between the Russian Federation and the United States. We should look and try to resolve this international crisis." The cease-fire agreement calls on both Russian and Georgian forces to withdraw to positions held before August 6. According to the second administration official, officials from several countries have told a variety of Russian officials, " 'you know you cannot stay," to which the Russian response is, " 'we don't want to stay.' " The official called this a "good sign and encouraging sign" but warned that the international community needed to send Russia a clear message against "mission creep." Furious over Russia's invasion of Georgia, the United States and its allies are weighing steps to diplomatically isolate Moscow as punishment for the conflict, senior administration officials said Tuesday. "It is not business as usual anymore with the Russians, and there are consequences for doing what they are doing," one senior U.S. official said. Two senior administration officials said Tuesday that they could not speak for attribution because no final decisions had been made. But the United States will be discussing steps to take with its allies in the NATO alliance and the European Union, they said. Read full article » cnn.com

To: steve harris who wrote (406048)	8/13/2008 3:17:10 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577229

"Did you consider that Georgia didn't attack Russia?" Did you consider that Russia had troops there are had South Ossetia under their protection? Whether or not they were right to do either of those isn't really relevant. Georgia accepted a ceasefire in South Ossetia in 1992 to avoid a larger conflict with Russia. Given that Russia has gone as far as issuing Russian passports to the South Ossetians, there is no real reason to suspect that matters have changed much since 1992.