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To: eracer who wrote (255564)	8/13/2008 12:45:03 PM
From: dougSF30	Respond to of 275872

The second issue we ran into was a PCI Express problem that kept us from running any meaningful GPU benchmarks. What do you know! It didn't stop that bastion of credibility, Tom's, from running them, nor mas from drawing the wrong conclusions from them. I'm shocked. There is no way to directly compare Kentsfield and Nehalem scores from two different reviews from two different locations as there is no way of knowing whether the same graphics options in Supreme Commander were used in both benchmarks. That didn't stop mas, either.

To: eracer who wrote (255564)	8/13/2008 1:25:29 PM
From: mas_	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Eracer, did you not read the links ? tomshardware.com tomshardware.com tomshardware.tw Both tests done within 3 days of each other and a month after Anand so PCI-E kinks obviously sorted as shown by the screen displays showing it being activated in the taiwan review. Memory tests look fine too so Doug has no excuses to turn to ;-). Vista O/S. No AA/AF on both. Catalyst 8.6 on the Nehalem and 8.7 beta on the Kenstfield. The Kenstfield did 16801050 in 65.2 fps The Nehalem did 12801024 in 64.7 fps. I dug out the release notes for 8.7 and there is no performance increase for Supreme Commander noted. game.amd.com Performance Improvements The following performance gains are noticed with this release of Catalyst™. • 3DMark Vantage: Performance increases of up to 20% is noticed in the Performance Preset on single card configured systems when using ATI Radeon™ HD 36xx or ATI Radeon™ HD 34xx products • Company of Heroes DX10: Performance increases of 3% to 12% is noticed in specific maps on single card configured systems when using either an ATI Radeon™ HD 48xx, ATI Radeon™ HD 38xx, or an ATI Radeon™ HD 36xx product • Lost Planet DX10: Performance increases of 4% to 15% is noticed in specific maps on single card configured systems when using either an ATI Radeon™ HD 48xx, ATI Radeon™ HD 38xx, or an ATI Radeon™ HD 36xx product • Call Of Duty 4 DX9: Performance increases of up to 4% in specific maps is noticed on single card configured systems when using an ATI Radeon™ HD 48xx product • Lost Planet DX9: CrossFire™ scaling improves up to 1.7x and performance increases up to 80% across all Radeon™ products when AA and AF is enabled Next to testing them in the same review looks as close to apple to apples as you can get.