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To: TH who wrote (96382)	8/17/2008 10:03:50 PM
From: ItsAllCyclical	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

Manipulation is when you lose money on a "can't lose idea"

To: TH who wrote (96382)	8/17/2008 10:41:33 PM
From: bart13	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

The dictionary says its "Shrewd or devious management, especially for one's own advantage." Devious is 1. Not straightforward; shifty: a devious character. 2. Departing from the correct or accepted way; erring: achieved success by devious means. Manipulate is defined as "To tamper with or falsify for personal gain: tried to manipulate stock prices."

To: TH who wrote (96382)	8/18/2008 12:32:24 AM
From: glenn_a	Respond to of 110194

Re: the definition of manipulation ... I agree with Bart, I think the element of "deception" or "not-straight-forwardness" is key. Personally, I think the notion of "manipulation" implies some agreed upon sense of "rules of the game", and what is, and what is not appropriate, in terms of the "rules of the game". Manipulation, to my mind, is where some agency in a position to influence a situation from an advantaged position, does so, in a deceptive, secretive way, and where this action is not in keeping with the "rules of the game" as they are understood and promoted. M2C worth. glenn

To: TH who wrote (96382)	8/19/2008 2:08:32 AM
From: GST	Respond to of 110194

Market manipulation is when 'somebody' has enough clout, whether due to brute force resources such as the ability to write a blank check or by virtue of access or control over strategic information or by the power to set crooked 'house rules', to thwart the functioning of free markets and move prices to suit 'its' own agenda, hoping not to be caught -- as in plausible denial. Sometimes manipulation is put in plain view but renamed -- you know, by calling it "safeguarding the healthy functioning of the market".