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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (409858)8/24/2008 1:16:35 AM
From: i-node  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573725
 
Ten

I'm certainly no Christian (although I try to live by Christian principles) and I'm no religious scholar. But I do believe there is ample evidence to strongly suggest or even prove that Jesus did live and walk the earth.

In particular, the New Testament was, I believe, written contemporaneously, or nearly so, with Christs' existence having been written around 100 A.D. I see no reason to dispute that account of Christs' having lived. The various interpretations of his life are just interpretations, perhaps -- but there would seem to be numerous accounts of Christs' having lived.

Unfortunately, when you're dealing with ancient history, there is no Wikipedia which can be deemed a reliable source by all (LOL). So, it is sometimes necessary to accept the words that were written contemporaneously with events as being reasonable interpretations. Otherwise, why bother with history before, say, 1990 at all?



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (409858)8/24/2008 1:24:46 AM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1573725
 
"I see even CJ is now jumping onto that bandwagon."

Not really. As I have said before, I think Jesus existed. However, I am not aware of any source that wasn't a Christian.

In other words, none of the miracles before the multitudes had anyone who bothered to write it down.

Which sort of raises the possibility the miracles never happened.

"Funny how even "The Jesus Seminar" accepts the postulate that Jesus actually existed:"

Well, duh. They are biblical scholars. They base most of their opinion on the Gospels. If you click on the link "historical Jesus" and then "Historicity of Jesus" you find out that, well, all the sources are early Christians. All of the non-Christian sources only talk about early Christians.

So, bottom line. I think there was someone named "Jesus", or at least some reasonable translation of such. Given the lack of attention he drew during his lifetime in the Roman Empire, I am dubious about the miracles, which, at least some were supposed to be widely witnessed.



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (409858)8/24/2008 1:25:09 AM
From: SilentZ  Respond to of 1573725
 
>Funny how even "The Jesus Seminar" accepts the postulate that Jesus actually existed:

So?

-Z



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (409858)8/24/2008 1:45:43 AM
From: bentway  Respond to of 1573725
 
Ten, there are all sorts of figures throughout history credited with performing miracles, some in other religions, some just sorcerers, some saints. I think Jesus just had superior marketing and organization post death.

The Hindus believe such "Siddhis" or powers come with enlightenment, but it's crass to display or use them, and a guru that does shouldn't be followed.