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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TideGlider who wrote (41664)	8/25/2008 3:11:58 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 224729

That's not what the VietCong said when McCain was their guest.lol

To: TideGlider who wrote (41664)	8/25/2008 4:13:03 PM
From: puborectalis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224729

a koala with partial amnesia.

To: TideGlider who wrote (41664)	8/25/2008 6:26:37 PM
From: puborectalis	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224729

And the Democrats got chastised for setting a timetable for leaving Iraq......... August 26, 2008 U.S. to Leave Iraq by 2011, Maliki says By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON and RIYADH MOHAMMED BAGHDAD — Iraq and the United States have agreed on a date for the departure of all American troops, as part of a broader security pact they are negotiating, the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, said Monday. “There is actually an agreement concluded between the two parties over the definite date, which is 2011, to end any foreign presence on Iraqi soil,” Mr. Maliki said, echoing what other officials have described as the content of the latest draft. Mr. Maliki made the comments in a speech to tribal leaders in Baghdad’s Green Zone, but it is far from clear that the issue has been settled. The Bush administration has consistently stressed that the agreement — needed to legalize the presence of American forces after the United Nations mandate expires at the end of this year — is still in draft form. “These discussions continue, as we have not yet finalized an agreement,” a White House spokesman, Tony Fratto, said on Monday. “We’re optimistic that Iraq and the U.S. can reach a mutual agreement on flexible goals for U.S. troops to continue to return on success — based on conditions on the ground — and allow Iraqi forces to provide security for a sovereign Iraq.” In a seemingly tacit recognition that a final agreement had not yet been reached, Mr. Maliki insisted that a Dec. 31, 2011 departure date was non-negotiable. “An open time ceiling is prohibited in a security agreement for the remaining international forces,” he said. Previously, Iraqi negotiators have said the 2011 date was for combat troops only, and that “training and support” forces could remain after that if invited by the Iraqi government. But they refused to give specific numbers. Mr. Maliki also stressed that there were other parts of the security pact on which the sides had yet to agree. Those points of dispute, he said, include the scenarios under which American soldiers will be granted immunity and Iraqi approval of American military operations. “There are some articles on which we are stopped,” he said. “Unless these articles are changed, it will be hard for this agreement to pass.” Iraq is prepared grant immunity to American soldiers who are on bases or are conducting military operations, the Iraqi government spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said in a telephone interview, but will insist that they be subject to Iraqi law in any other circumstances. Hadi al-Ameri, an Iraqi lawmaker, said that immunity was “the most complicated issue remaning.” Mr. Dabbagh said there was also disagreement over whether Iraqi detainees could remain in American custody. Iraq has been demanding that anyone detained by American forces be turned over to the Iraqi authorities within 24 hours. On Monday morning, an American soldier was shot in Adhamiya, a Sunni neighborhood of Baghdad that was once a breeding ground for insurgents but has since become safer. The soldier was transferred to a military facility, where he died of his wounds, the military said in a statement.