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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kevin Rose who wrote (132717)	8/27/2008 5:01:59 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 173976

"Can a leader deliberately lie in order to fulfill their duty, even if it turns out that the lie did not achieve that goal?" A leader can of course lie. The question we are discussing is whether it is wrong or whether we can rationalize it by the 'everybody else does' excuse. Or whether it is so common that it shouldn't be considered a fault unless it is a circumstance (which we haven't defined) where it matters. "Did LBJ lie about the Gulf of Tonkin incident (assuming he knew that facts that the NV did not in fact attack our ships)?" I can't assume anything about LBJ, and I don't have clear information on that incident, so I don't know. But if it was proven that he lied to those in his trust, it was wrong IMO. "A lie is like a fact. It cannot be changed with discussion, nuance, or posturing. It CAN be justified, rationalized, and excused - but wishing a pig was a cow ain't gonna make it happen." Agreed.